An interesting claim

Difficult to support but an interesting claim all the same:

Johnson wants to retain Scotland precisely because he knows London needs its economic support. Ignore the rigged data in Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland. The reality is that little England knows that it is sucking value from Scotland as hard as it can. And it does not want that to stop. And the chance that it might is what petrifies them.

Tax rates, allowances and the progressivity of the tax system are the same across the larger nation. Incomes in London are substantially higher than elsewhere. Quite how Londoners are paying less in that others, elsewhere, with lower incomes and tax bills is difficult to work out.

32 thoughts on “An interesting claim”

  1. If I were spud, given the quality, nature and timing of his output, I wouldn’t be using phrases like “sucking value from Scotland as hard as it can”.

  2. Even the Scots only claimed this worked because of all the oil they had.

    I mean, what actual benefits are there in being in Scotland now? Take away that it’s where you were born and raised and all that. If you were a German wanting to leave, why would you choose Scotland over England or Wales? It’s cold, wet, you can’t grow much food and it’s a long way from anywhere. Working in the whisky or salmon industries, I suppose.

    I don’t even understand the tourism thing. “but it’s really beautiful countryside”. Yeah, so is Provence. Why drive 9 hours for 2 weeks of rain, when you can drive another 3 and be in Avignon, sipping cheap Cotes du Rhone and being able to swim outdoors?

  3. “I don’t even understand the tourism thing. “but it’s really beautiful countryside”. Yeah, so is Provence. Why drive 9 hours for 2 weeks of rain, when you can drive another 3 and be in Avignon, sipping cheap Cotes du Rhone and being able to swim outdoors”?
    Because when you go to France it’s full of French people. Likewise, Scotland being full of demented porridge wogs (well, the ones without the marbles to live in civilisation in England (ok, that last bit is looking dubious). What about Benidorm??

  4. I suppose if you’re a whisky fan, then Scotland has its attractions.
    Also works for connoisseurs of Buckfast and deep fried pizza.

  5. I suppose if you’re a whisky fan, then Scotland has its attractions.

    Even in Birmingham there must be an offie that sells good whisky, saving the necessity of driving all the way to Scotland to buy a bottle. I’m actually going to a whisky tasting night at The Dispensary here in Mackay on Thursday. MrsBud is flying to Brisbane that evening so I can snore to my heart’s content when I get home.

  6. As far as I am aware it is possible to enjoy Scottish produce without visiting

    In fact it’s probably cheaper abroad

    Not sure what value Scotland offers London, it’s clear what Scotland gains though from London

  7. “Please give me ermine and government sinecures, Most Splendiferous Nicola”

    When Independence happens and the Scots realise what utter balls shysters like Murphy have been whispering in their ears all these years, he’ll disappear faster than Arthur Daley did when a punchup started.

  8. If the Scottish Nationalists really want independence, they should campaign for everyone in the UK to have a say. The English would grant them their wish in a heartbeat.

  9. If you were a German wanting to leave, why would you choose Scotland over England or Wales?

    Possibly to work in financial services (and allied trades) in Edinburgh. Which will all vanish like Brigadoon if Joxit ever happens.

  10. “Even in Birmingham there must be an offie that sells good whisky, saving the necessity of driving all the way to Scotland to buy a bottle. ”

    There’s one in Swindon. Plus there’s at least 3 online specialists and Amazon’s range is good.

    “I’m actually going to a whisky tasting night at The Dispensary here in Mackay on Thursday. ”

    I once had this idea of going to places like Marlborough, Napa and Stellenbosch to taste wine, but they all have wine institutes that do annual tastings in London of hundreds of wines for £50 a ticket, so why bother?

  11. Scotland and Wales are great country. It is up to the people of Scotland and Wales to decide their future.
    We have to watch out for right wing nationalists in England exploiting Scotland and Wales.
    Extreme nationalists in England could do a lot of damage to Scotland and Wales.
    Some English nationalists like to gain populist credit by damaging other countries. We have to be aware of that.
    I do not hate English people. But my worry is the extreme English nationalists who want to humiliate other countries to gain populist support. That has been a trick of tyrants throughout history.

    I worry BOJO or Farage supporters might try and destroy the Scottish devolved parliament, and claim the Scots support BOJO, when they do not.
    SCOTLAND WANTS TO KEEP IT’S DEVOLVED PARLIAMENT. How would the English like it if the USA or Germany invaded and claimed that they had the support of the English people, in destroying English democracy? It would be humiliating.

  12. BoM4,

    Stellenbosch is stunning, as is the whole south western Cape area. If I was asked to name one city and its environs that everyone should visit given the chance, of the cities I’ve visited, I’d nominate Cape Town, I just love it. By all accounts, Marlborough is worth visiting, it is somewhere we’ll get to eventually, when Obergruppenfuhrer Adern lets us in.

    We’ve just been to the Barossa Valley, we got out of South Australia before the borders shut, four friends were not so lucky, they’re stuck in hotel quarantine in a Brisbane airport hotel for two weeks at their expense. Some of the best wines are only available at the cellar door, and some are only available to the winery’s better customers, especially back vintages.

  13. This illustrates a favourite tactic of the Left: take something self-evident and proven by data (that Scotland is economically dependent on England, and has been for a number of years) then simply say the opposite loudly and confidently, without supplying any evidence for your claim. You can’t fool all the people all the time but this tactic usually fools some of the people some of the time.

  14. I’ll agree Scotland is a great country, but I’d still vote to give it independence. Why should it only be up to the Scottish and Welsh to decide that they want the English to carry on subsidising them, surely the English taxpayer has a right to choose? It is Scotland and Wales that exploit England, and we’d be more than happy for them to stand on their own two feet and stop sucking on the English taxpayer teat.

  15. Murphy may be right on one very marginal point.
    London enjoys disproportionate levels of infrastructure investment. But that’s in comparison to the rest of England. I imagine building and maintaining roads in a sparsely populated country like Scotland is quite expensive.
    BTW, what happened to the Aberdeen by-pass when Carillion went bust?

  16. If the Scottish Nationalists really want independence, they should campaign for everyone in the UK to have a say.

    They don’t want independence. Same with the Taffs, as West Wales Dickie points out. They want as much power as possible but with England there to pay the bills and to provide a target for the 2 minutes hate.

    All the Celtic fringe nations ought to be offered a referendum with this question:
    Do you want independence, with your own currency, a bill for your share of the UK national debt and hard borders, but the freedom to join the EU or the RoI if you wish or do you want an end to devolution and toy town assemblies, but with more powers to the county level?
    The government will implement what you decide, and then the issue is over for good.

  17. The Aberdeen western by-pass is complete ( Gawd knows why they put western in the description, you can’t realistically have an eastern one yet at today’s prices and with today’s tech ).
    Finished in 2019, the joint venture partners Balfour Beatty and another one finished the work.
    If it had been done in England there would have been a toll over the Don, but the SNP don’t believe in the principle of user pays.

  18. West Wales Dickie claims to not hate English people, but then hideously mangles our language in a way that is deeply offensive.

  19. Bloke in North Dorset

    There’s much mirth to be had on Twitter following Andrew Neil on the subject of Scotland’s independence and finances. The SNP crowd keep coming with up blatantly stupid ideas as if they’re real gotcha’s, only to be swatted away in his inimical style.

    One clown even claimed that London hangs on to all the export taxes they take when Scotland’s export goods travel through England first. Another thought that Aussie and Canadian dollars were US dollars but just printed in those countries, so there’s no reason why Scotland couldn’t keep the sterling pound and just print its own.

    Spud tried to explain to him how Scotland was being shafted through GERS, that didn’t end well for Spud either.

  20. “One clown even claimed that London hangs on to all the export taxes they take when Scotland’s export goods travel through England first. ”

    What ‘export taxes’?

  21. If you were a German wanting to leave, why would you choose Scotland over England or Wales?

    Well Rudolf Hess probably wasn’t playing with a full deck.

  22. I recall a House hunting grad recruit scot who relocated here. She said what surprised her most – the villages in England are picturesque. Houses in scotch villages come in 2 varieties: wet granite or wet concrete and aren’t.

  23. Richard West of Wales

    DocBud. You’re the one who has a capital letter in the middle of your name. Trying to appear clever, while make primary school mistakes just shows you your level. LOL.

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