As several have pointed out

Of course, that is also true because of Brexit as a whole.

And it’s also true that external trade is now going to be far more complex, and so costly.

And still no one can explain any of the gains.

We are not in the EU. That is a gain, a thing of value.

28 thoughts on “As several have pointed out”

  1. Severance of EU funding for UK based hooverers of EU grant and other funding for their spurious academic pursuits and sinecures is a major benefit of Brexit.

  2. Funny how remainers always talk about the EU as if membership were free, rather than costing the UK billions of pounds.

  3. Remainders always base their arguments on economics, which is not why I voted to leave.

    In fairness, it’s not always on economics, a lot of them complain about “soft factors” like losing influence in Europe, as if our “influence” actually translated into the EU giving a damn about anything we said.

    Even on the economic argument they are selective, because they ignore the costs of the walled garden on non-EU trade.

    For myself, I’m glad we’re out and that the Remainers have shafted themselves by trying to subvert the 2016 Referendum and when that failed turn BRExit into BRINO.

    If we exit the transition period without a UK/EU trade agreement I’ll be happier still.

  4. Even on the economic argument they are selective

    Remainos are obsessed with the possibility of a couple of percentage points on tarrifs, but tend to be vociferously in favour of the terrifying self-inflicted economic implosion we’re currently experiencing over a cough with a 99.72% survival rate, and the various mad, bad and dangerous schemes to ban cars and make everyone live in freezing cold, depressing eco-yurts and subsist on locally sourced fairtrade nettles and organic cat piss.

    It’s not about the economy at all, it’s about the cognitive and emotional decline of our institutional class and its unrequited projection of completely imaginary virtues onto a distant transnational bureaucracy so as to delineate itself from the (shudder) working class proles who unironically eat Pot Noodles and watch the X-Factor.

  5. ‘And still no one can explain any of the gains.’

    Not when you have your fingers in your ears and loudly hum “It’s a small world.”

  6. To me the vacuum cleaners are less significant than kettles. A lower powered vacuum cleaner is likely to take longer to do the job and therefore use as much electricity as a more powerful one but it would be difficult to prove. In the case of the EU approved kettle, basic physics can provide all the proof needed. Not only that but only an ignoramus would not know that boiling a given amount of water requires the same amount of energy however powerful your kettle is. What kind of institution puts such idiots in charge of things that they know nothing about?

  7. “The EU lost me when it decided that hoovers had to be de-powered in order to save the planet.”

    Took as long as that. 🙂

    Reading Booker & North’s “The Castle of Lies” back in the nineties confirmed every worst suspicion up to that point. Followed by every lie since – though, in fairness, not always lies; on the EU’s side, they are sometimes very honest about it.

  8. PF

    Too right – The ‘Castle of Lies’ remains an instant classic. And I will say this in defense of the EU themselves, they’re open about this and have been probably since the 90s – they want the nation state to end and a Federal Europe. And in fairness, a high proportion of fifth columnists/ Remaniacs would probably prefer that, especially if they are part of the Nomenklatura…

  9. How can any person wishing to identify as a thinking human* say things like “And still no one can explain any of the gains”? I’m a staunch Leaver, but I can reel off half-a-dozen arguments in favour of EU membership – most of them wrong, and all of them outweighed (in my view) by the arguments for leaving, but still …

    * OK, this is Cap’n Spud we’re talking about, but there are millions of Remainiacs who regurgitate similar stuff

  10. @Stonyground
    I beg to differ. A lower power kettle takes longer to boil and is therefore losing more energy to the surrounding air between startex and boiling point than a properly powerful one.

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    For me the #1 gain of leaving is MPs having to stand behind their positions rather than saying it the EU wot dun it to absolve themselves of some idiocy that they wanted anyway, but were too scared to admit.

    I also accepted there’d be an economic hit in the short to medium term, however the handling of the pandemic will make it very difficult to disentangle Brexit, pandemic and lockdown effects.

  12. 40% and falling of UK exports go to the EU. Why don’t Remainers take that into account?

    That 40% of exports is about 8% of all UK trade (the vast majority being UK and non-EU), for which we have to subordinate our whole economy and national polity to EU diktat.

    Illegally joining the EEC in 1973 (which Ted Heath had no authority to sign given the lack of sovereignty) and remaining in the EEC after the 1975 Referendum might have made sense at the time given the beneficial trading terms offered, but even then the politicians and unCivil Servants involved knew full well that the EEC was just the overture to EU Federalism.

    By 2016 (a lot earlier for many*), it was clear that the UK’s membership of what had become “a Country Called Europe” made no sense even on the economic level of trade alone, since by signing up to the EU we were raising a tariff barrier against non-EU trade of even our sister countries in the Anglosphere.

    Stuff like sovereignty, immigration, inability to exclude or deport EU criminals and the requirement to take in foreign Islamic invaders just made the weakness of the arguments over trade more stark.

    Yet, I am somehow a fool and puppet of Nigel Farage (not a fan of personally), for ignoring the clearly manufactured bullshit “Project Fear” stuff put out by UK Gov and voting against their “advice” and that of every major political party.

    There is a point where politics becomes personal and that was why I joined the Vote Leave campaign in 2016.

    * – For myself, it was the Maastricht Treaty that led my doubts over the EEC into full-blown opposition.

  13. @ TomJ
    +1 you beat me to it.
    That is an example of why so many distrust self-styled “experts”, while few distrust genuine experts.

  14. Dennis, Pointing Out The Obvious

    And it’s also true that external trade is now going to be far more complex, and so costly.

    And if the greater costs of additional complexity lead to greater profits from additional trade, and those additional profits exceed the additional costs incurred, accepting those greater costs of additional complexity constitutes a rational and appropriate business decision. You know, profit maximization.

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  16. “Why should trade be more complex?
    It certainly won’t be with non-EU nations”

    Brexit preparations at Mrs Nerd’s place of work:

    Boss: “You know that form we fill in when we export a thing to Switzerland? We’ll have to fill in one of those.”

    Mrs Nerd:“So, 2 minutes extra work, then. Anything else?”

    Boss:“No, that’s the lot.”

  17. Stony: The point you (and Tomj) make is perfectly valid. However there is also the issue that if you switch on 10 million kettles at the same time, a population of 3kW kettles gives you a short term rise of 30GW but 2kW kettles limits it to 20GW. In practice the rise is slower and the peak is less because the first kettles on have boiled before the last ones turn on. Nevertheless with our increasingly fragile electrical distribution systems I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a consideration.

  18. Tractorgent:
    To which, I would suggest, the solution is to stop making the distribution system more fragile by connecting more unreliables renewables to it rather than to insist on everyone having a more inefficient kettle. The UK has dealt with the surge problem pretty effectively down the years by use of stored hydro to handle the surge.

  19. ‘stop making the distribution system more fragile’.

    Yeah TomJ. As far as I’m concerned, the electricity distribution system exists to serve me. I don’t exist to serve it.

    My innate selfishness coming to the fore again.

  20. Tomj: totally agree, but try telling Boris. Seems he’s more in thrall to Carrie and her loony ideas than we expected, given current controversy.

    That a 1st world country with a world class electricity grid should turn it by design into an unstable mess more suited to the nether regions of Africa beggars belief. I sincerely hope this small reactor stuff from RR gets off the ground.

  21. To which, I would suggest, the solution is to stop making the distribution system more fragile by connecting more unreliables renewables to it rather than to insist on everyone having a more inefficient kettle.

    To which my only response would be “Whose idiocy led to the unreliability in generation and supply anyway?”. It wasn’t me. It probably wasn’t Boganboy. It was however every government since at least The Blessed Margaret who have undermined the supply of electricity by submitting to the EcoLunacy of everyone from the EEC/EU to Extinction Rebellion and similar Marxists who want to throw us back to stone age rack and ruin through disastrous power supply policies based upon some paranoid delusion about plant food being a pollutant.

    I remember the miserable winter of 1973/74 when the government could keep the power on and millions were shivering in their homes by candlelight.

    A government which can’t keep the lights on doesn’t remain in power very long. Ted Heath learned that lesson in the 1974 election. It also schooled the Blessed Margaret when her turn came as well, fortunately she wasn’t quite so stupid and the Marxists were defeated that time around.

    This time I see a lot of Heaths and no Thatchers. Looks like, once again the failure will be the lesson and we’ll have to show our contempt for the elites who reward themselves mightily for their own indulgence and incompetence.

  22. Yeah, the Thatcherite wing of the Tory party seem not just quiet but actually gone.

    It’s gonna give Laurence Fox and Nigel Garage some room to breath as idiot ideas come home to roost…

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