Interesting research just in

New research from the Institute for Employment Studies (IES) indicates that when women living with obesity are employed, many are subject to a wage penalty of up to 13 percent, compared to other women. The study also found that in addition to getting paid less than other workers, women living with obesity also experience lower hiring success, fewer opportunities for promotion, reduced workplace wellbeing, increased stress and a higher likelihood of being dismissed. By contrast, some studies suggest that men living with obesity enjoy a small wage premium and that men are only subject to a wage penalty if they are living with clinical underweight.

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Reactions to appearance differ by gender in a sexually dimorphic species. Film at 11*.

*Err, I’m told that there is indeed film of this sort of thing but the popularity of the specialisms tracks the above findings as well.

33 thoughts on “Interesting research just in”

  1. Chicken or egg? Does that man become obese because he has more to spend on pizza and beer or does he get more money because of the obesity?

  2. So Much For Subtlety

    Did they investigate the vital question of whether living with obesity affects your chances of giving a blow job on the first date?

    But it is interesting that there may be a premium for being a male fatty. So it is not a lack of self discipline. I take it that it is just because fat women are disgusting

  3. I can almost guarantee they didn’t control for age, which will be a huge factor with body weight, especially for the male part of this study (older men will earn more than younger ones).

  4. Rob
    Nail+head

    Also higher paid men may have more sedentary occupations, or be often wining and dining clients, etc. Was any control activated when you already know the result you want?

  5. In many of the jobs I’ve had, in various postings as a Police officer and in temporary jobs after Police retirement, quite a few ‘women living with obesity’ were in managerial or supervisory posts so, while not certain how big (no pun intended) the IES survey was, suggest the findings are flawed.

  6. Another thing to consider is that men do a lot of detailed technical and nasty physical work where no-one cares what you look like. There aren’t a lot of women in IT, in engineering or removing fatbergs from the sewers.

    I know lots of people in IT recruitment and, men and women, I would describe them all as in reasonable shape and well groomed.

  7. Most women are encouraged (“brow-beaten”) by other women to care about their appearance.
    While there are some women who have medical and/or genetic reasons for being obese the majority of the obese females are living with laziness and/or without self-discipline. This majority get paid less because they *earn* less.

  8. Men get judged on what they do, women get judged on what they look like. If fat bloke is a whizz at trading stocks and shares, he gets hired. Whereas even if fat bird is a kick ass lawyer, no one wants to look at a fat bird all day, so she doesn’t get hired.

    This is of course a very unfair system, apart from all the dolly birds who get jobs despite being useless, and who do very well out of it.

  9. How they push these numbers is very interesting.

    The University of Mexico recently did a study on how obesity affects hiring rates and they too found discrimination. Overweight women got interview call backs at a lower rate than non-overweight women.

    The kicker? The overweight women got callbacks at the same rate as men – overweight or not.

    So there was discrimination. Not against overweight women but *for* non-overweight women.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifI47g3wcAc

  10. Our species has many variables on which some aspect of pay depends. Intelligence used to be prized amongst university professors (before about 1990), strength a capacity for hard work is generally preferred amongst building labourers, and beauty is a requirement for highly-paid models and film stars.

    Currently, in the West, being overweight is not considered beautiful. So if you average total women’s pay and then average total woment’s pay with the highly-paid models and film stars taken out, the second figure will be lower. Similarly for weak, lazy builders. I will make no mention of university professors.

  11. My anecdatal experience is that there are a lot of women in senior HR positions who could best be described as land-whales.

  12. We need to institute into common parlance the old naval description of some Pompey night club habitués: hippocrocagorillapigs. There were a lot of them around.

  13. This corresponds to a difference in the utility/hedonistic externality of being fat and ugly for each sex.

    Fat women reduce their attractiveness (which corresponds to their attractiveness to men) by much more than fat men reduce their attractiveness. This is partly because most women simply find most men unattractive fat or not, which is not the case vice versa, if the OKCupid stats are to be believed, or of course the evidence of your lyin’ eyes.

  14. ‘in addition to getting paid less than other workers, women living with obesity also experience lower hiring success, fewer opportunities for promotion, reduced workplace wellbeing, increased stress and a higher likelihood of being dismissed.’

    And still, STILL, they aren’t motivated to lose weight. Which means, then, that the Institute for Employment Studies cares more about fewer opportunities, stress, blah, blah, than the whales care about their food. A problem for IES, not duh whales. As if IES doesn’t actually represent women living with* obesity.

    Obesity fell out of the sky and landed on their face, and started to wiggle.

    *’3. To put up with something; resign oneself to something’

    So duh whales have resigned themselves to their size. So what exactly is it that IES wants? They just want us to feel bad about the world we live in?

  15. Chicken or egg?

    Hard to say, but I am definitely both richer and fatter than I was 20 years ago. I have lost a bit of weight recently, I’ll keep at it and see if I become poorer.

  16. If you see a roadworks team at lunch you can always tell which is the bloke who drives the back hoe.The same goes for the office party, you can identify the job by weight.

    P.S. Why are teachers so scruffy? Do they have no self respect? Do they not want the respect of their pupils?

  17. I’m male and more podgy than I prefer. But I wear typically baggy male clothing, so it’s not visibly noticable. I have noticed that the same is not true for women. I blame the garmentier-industrial-complex.

  18. Gamecock
    November 19, 2020 at 10:42 pm

    |pendantry|

    The chicken or egg.

    Egg. All chickens come from eggs; not all eggs come from chickens.

    From an evolutionary standpoint, egg – what laid the egg was not (yet) a chicken.

  19. P.S. Why are teachers so scruffy? Do they have no self respect? Do they not want the respect of their pupils?

    Depends a lot on the school. I bet the teachers at Eton mostly aren’t scruffy.

    The Principal at my school won’t promote the scruffy ones, and we’re state outfit. The result is most dress reasonably well.

    Note though, that what we think of as scruffy is sometimes what the students think is perfectly acceptable. On the other hand, many are just plain losers who dress like losers.

  20. Bloke in North Dorset

    My anecdatal experience is that there are a lot of women in senior HR positions who could best be described as land-whales.

    My anecdotal experience is that its prevalent amongst NHS workers. I’ve said before that the nurse who did my Well Men checks had a waist circumference > height and my GP admitted his guilt when telling me I needed to lose a “couple of pounds” as my BMI was around 26 when he clearly needed to lose a few stones.

    Visits to the hospital also revealed a large problem.

    Why are teachers so scruffy? Do they have no self respect? Do they not want the respect of their pupils?

    The ones who work for Katharine Burbalsingh aren’t.

    A fish rots from the head down.

    (puns intended)

  21. A rapidly increasing number of American universities offer courses on Fat Studies and bestow tenured professorships accordingly.

    The briefest of trawls through the internet confirms that such professors are c99% likely to be female.

  22. “Obese” has been massacred out of all meaning, including some chaps who could do with losing a couple stone but are otherwise fit, healthy and can walk around at a normal pace without getting out of breath at step 4. These are being lumped in with land whales who could do with losing a couple of hundredweight, who — anecdatally at least — trend distaff.

    Maybe the “my actions are somebody else’s responsibility” mentality that leads to becoming a land whale is not one which trends toward doing well at interview or promotion, rather than being direct causation?

    Aside: I recall doing an assessment of sales guys with a friend at work (we’re both in engineering), it went like this:
    * Fat salesman, decent car — lots of client lunches, lots of commission, hire
    * Fat salesman, rubbish car — lots of client lunches, no commission, don’t hire
    * Thin salesman, decent car — made one massive deal that paid for a Porsche all on its own, maybe worth a bit of a punt
    * Thin salesman, rubbish car — either just starting out or doesn’t put the effort in

  23. @philip
    Not at my schools: suits & gowns. Respect: we respected their knowledge & teaching us; they respected good behaviour & endeavour

    It’s Lefties being “down with the kids”, like BBC & CoE

    @BiND
    +1 on Fat NHS staff inc nurses – much higher % than supermarket staff – and females by far the worst, often squeezed into too small uniforms as in denial

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