Trumps claims are, of course, nonsense. We knew some states, where counting was not permitted until voting ended, would be delayed. We knew there would be significant numbers of postal votes. We knew they would be predominantly Democrat votes.
Why, or how, do we know that postal votes will be largely D?
” Why, or how, do we know that postal votes will be largely D?”
Because Dems, after the polls have closed, always seem able to find bags full of apparently ‘mislaid’ votes which fortuitously just happen to be for the Dem candidate and which, equally fortuitously, just happen to overturn a Republican candidates majority.
Trump is simply saying what many of his supporters believe to be true and laying down his intent
From wsws – The Democrats “have blocked the Green Party from obtaining ballot status in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and the Socialist Equality Party from obtaining ballot status in Michigan”
Did the Republicans try to keep the Libertarian candidate off the ballot in any key States.
There is some knowledge of the districts that have applied for postal voting in greater numbers. Also past patterns for the more limited postal voting in the past. And finally many – most even – postal votes have already been counted so we know how the lean R/D
Lol:
https://twitter.com/RealMelcolmX/status/1323832937167511552
Because Democrats tend to live in rural parts, far from polling stations. They prefer to post their ballots rather than drive half an hour to the polling station.
Also, old people in retirement homes can’t easily get to the polling stations, so they use their postal ballot to vote Democrat, like all old people do.
Wouldn’t we get lots of districts with >100% turnout if the “mislaid votes” hypothesis is correct?
Not discounting it, just asking.
@BiG
Depends on voter turnout which I believe is around 65% so plenty of scope for ‘adjustment’
Because Democrats tend to live in rural parts, far from polling stations.
Bullshit. Trump won massively in rural areas in 2016 and is doing the same in 2020. Go look at the numbers for both elections. You might have been right in 1970, but in today’s USA Democrats tend to live in urban areas… It isn’t Republicans who are voting Democrat for the mayors of NYC, LA, SF, Atlanta, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle, etc.
They prefer to post their ballots rather than drive half an hour to the polling station.
Also bullshit. Mail-in balloting in rural areas is marginally higher, but not significantly so. Again, look at the 2016 numbers.
Can USAsians understand sarcasm?
Dennis, Bullshit detector, can’t detect intentional bullshit.
Mail ballots tend to arrive more slowly from urban Mail systems, interestingly
BiG –
At times it’s hard to know where stupid ends and sarcasm begins.
@Oblong
Yeah I notice a lot of people in this thread (and elsewhere) applying UK election thinking to a US election. For a Brit it’s worth parking what you think you know at the door.
A big difference is how in the UK early results come from cities and rural areas report later – even during a Tory landslide you usually see Labour ahead at the start of the night. In the USA, when you’re looking at live state vote-counts, the reverse tends to be true – high-population urban counties usually take longer to count so report last. Another important difference is that whether postal votes get counted first or last depends on state. And postal votes don’t follow the same patterns as they do in the UK. Even when a state’s count is 80% in and one candidate is a few percent ahead, it’s worth looking at what kinds of votes that are left and where they’re from before concluding anything, since the ones that are left can easily tilt 60-40 or even 70-30.
Frankly a terrible way of doing it if you don’t want it to look like a vote has been rigged or stolen…
Tim, Trump has made a big thing of saying “Coronavirus is just a ‘flu” and telling all his supporters to vote in person on the day. Biden has said “coronavirus is serious: wear a mask” – so most of those using mail-in ballots are those supporting Biden. That’s going to be the case if there is *nil* cheating.
To follow up Ears’ comment, we in the UK are used to General Election reporting, where each counted district has (close to) the same population, so Islington North and Sunderland finish first ‘cos their population is so dense the whole district is only half a mile across, so their Labour result always arrives in the first dozen; but Richmondshire is about 300 miles across, so takes several hours just to get the ballot boxes back to the count office before they can even start counting.
In the US presidential election, they are counting by what we would call Polling Districts, which have different populations because they are arbitary chunks of geography, not numerically-equal chunks of population. And in the US they tend to use “counties” of similar geographical size to do the vote count, so ten square miles of Chicago has many many more voters than ten square miles of Ouanquèouef, Alabama, so the Chicago count takes longer, so the DEM totals are declared later.
And the Electoal College is exactly the same as how we pick our chief executive. We The People don’t pick him, the MPs that we elect picks him, just as the Electors the US People elect pick the US Chief Executive.
It’s simple.
Trump said vote on Election Day
Biden said postal vote
Ritchie may be an idiot but a stopped clock and all that
“Why, or how, do we know that postal votes will be largely D?”
There’s a clue in Toni Blair’s law to make postal voting and cheating easier in Britain.
I apologise for repetition, but the secret ballot was an important innovation* because it makes coercion and bribery impossible, since nobody can be certain how you vote. Any absentee ballot removes that protection (and also makes it that much less certain that the person casting the vote is actually who they claim to be), which is why I think it should be tightly restricted to those with a genuine need.
* not sure when it came in – 1832 Electoral Reform? Certainly, prior to that there are published records of how every individual voted in elections.
Fraud. Easy answer huh?
Dem’s motto “Vote early, Vote often” – Busing
Same as in UK with Labour – 20 living in 1 bed flat in Tower Hamlets
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Hold on US vote counting is ‘very unfortunate and odd’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwAacpM00e
eg Pennsylvania, Arizona and more
Oh, hold on count to “find” Biden ballots
There is ‘something odd about postal votes which magically materialised’ for Biden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84QOspRI9Sw
In USA many Dem Govners have ruled signature on postal ballot must Not be checked against on file signature; the dead can vote too
Then there’s Republicans not allowed to monitor count, but Dems can
Same as in 2016
Republicans: Pennsylvania vote counters keeping out poll watchers with ‘police barricade’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoxeL8V__E
Democrats allowed in to watch count, Republicans refused entry and blocking their windows with white board in other Dem states
Democrats? Like GDR, DRNK
Voter Fraud
the “scary thing about this election” has been the threats of violence and legal disputes on behalf of the left and the Democrats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l43lMZav1DA
Then there are Veritas exposures
eg USPS Whistleblower Details Directive From Superiors To Back-Date Late Mail-In-Ballots Nov 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw
It is because Republican dead stay dead. Democrats can still move around and vote when dead. Hell, Biden is even making a run for President and I’m not convinced he is still alive.
Ooops mean to say but they can’t travel to the polling station as bits will still be falling off and it will take them too long to get there in the zombie walk,
Fraud. Easy answer huh?
Dem’s motto “Vote early, Vote often” – Busing
Same as in UK with Labour – 20 living in 1 bed flat in Tower Hamlets
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Hold on US vote counting is ‘very unfortunate and odd’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwAacpM00e
eg Pennsylvania, Arizona and more
Oh, hold on count to “find” Biden ballots
There is ‘something odd about postal votes which magically materialised’ for Biden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84QOspRI9Sw
In USA many Dem Governors have ruled signature on postal ballot must Not be checked against on file signature; the dead can vote too
Then there’s Republicans not allowed to monitor count, but Dems can
Same as in 2016
Republicans: Pennsylvania vote counters keeping out poll watchers with ‘police barricade’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoxeL8V__E
Democrats allowed in to watch count, Republicans refused entry and blocking their windows with white board in other Dem states
Democrats? Like GDR, DRNK
Voter Fraud
The “scary thing about this election” has been the threats of violence and legal disputes on behalf of the left and the Democrats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l43lMZav1DA
Fraud. Easy answer huh?
Dem’s motto “Vote early, Vote often” – Busing
Same as in UK with Labour – 20 living in 1 bed flat in Tower Hamlets
.
Hold on US vote counting is ‘very unfortunate and odd’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwAacpM00e
eg Pennsylvania, Arizona and more
Oh, hold on count to “find” Biden ballots
There is ‘something odd about postal votes which magically materialised’ for Biden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84QOspRI9Sw
In USA many Dem Govners have ruled signature on postal ballot must Not be checked against on file signature; the dead can vote too
Then there’s Republicans not allowed to monitor count, but Dems can
Same as in 2016
Republicans: Pennsylvania vote counters keeping out poll watchers with ‘police barricade’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoxeL8V__E
Democrats allowed in to watch count, Republicans refused entry and blocking their windows with white board in other Dem states
Democrats? Like GDR, DRNK
Indeed, truck-loads of Biden votes posted affter election day being counted
Veritas exposures: Institutional Voter Fraud – USPS backdating balllots on 4, 5, 6 November
First: Michigan USPS Whistleblower Details Directive From Superiors To Back-Date Late Mail-In-Ballots Nov 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw
Nevada USPS Worker Pledges Ballot Fraud To Remove President Trump From Office
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImU5wZWnm00
Federal investigators in Michigan investigating USPS after Veritas Whistleblower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rhrsvoRF8k
Investigating until Biden wins, then closed
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Pennsylvania USPS Whistleblower Exposes Anti-Trump Postmaster’s Illegal Order To Back-Date Ballots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR_XpJ287Iw
2nd Pennsylvania USPS whistleblower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7yNZsa8x0
Pennsylvania USPS Whistleblower agrees to testify
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbN2D9gO4-o
Pennsylvania USPS Whistleblower Richard Hopkins Goes Public; Confirms Federal Investigation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-D-2GOswwA
Sky Aus reports
US Postal Service worker alleges potential voter fraud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_-zlprOqwA
New York Post columnist Miranda Devine says the Democrats have obviously been up to something as there has been a concerted effort to “hide the counting of the ballots” and “change the law” under the cover of COVID-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIpD4yjPBAg
US election may drag on for weeks and could end up in the Supreme Court amid “circumstantial evidence of potential chicanery” in the counting of ballots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JclCeTS8FSw
Hmm, are we going to see >100% voter turnout again in Dem states?
Don Junior is ‘wrong to claim ballots are still being cast’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CazMyhoLRaY
OH dear, Kim Hoggard rubbished by above and Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania USPS Whistleblowers
To put this in perspecetive: UK Postal votes must be received before election day
Gowdy slams ‘irresponsible’ states still accepting and counting ballots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2FIGEzTBAU
Did Supreme Court of Pennsylvania have the right to make election changes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7YiGlu-4bE
Nigel Farage gives an important update on the US election
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHiIQkDzqnQ
Democrat swing-states used COVID-19 to change election protocols in ‘murky ways’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQle-0LpHUo
More fraud uncovered: photocopied edited un-watermarked ballots being accepted in ‘key states’ – BBC World Service ~05:00 GMT
Hmm, yes as predicted >100% – USA a Banana Republic
Voter fraud – dead voting – 125% turnout (Nevada)
“What is going on in America in the elections is nothing new, it’s been going on for donkeys years, but this time social media and mobile phone cameras have documented their criminality” As always like, share
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87duujCcUSw
Democrat’s up to their old tricks – born 1902, vote accepted
By now its clear to see that Democrats have played every dirty trick in the book to gain the keys to the Whitehouse
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41R20Hvwwvg
Steve Bannon silenced on social media
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXfNNo3MF48
Seb Gorka next?
Steve Bannon was banned from YouTube and Twitter on Thursday after this
– https://www.bitchute.com/video/d7tVFB3hm1UT/
@Dennis, Gamecock
Any comment on the >100% voter turnout in many USA states?
Australia exposing the USA vote fraud – Sunday
Something ‘stinks to high heaven’ in the US presidential election
Jason Daniel, born 1850 voted for Biden
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-tKILFlFgA
Chairman of the American Conservative Union Matt Schlapp has claimed to have found hundreds of examples of “voter irregularity” during Nevada’s electoral process
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPoJwRpb_Kc
Software That Switched Trump Votes To Biden Is Used Throughout MI & “Needs To Be Examined”
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxOJO0r6S8
‘This is premature … we have not finished counting votes’: South Dakota governor
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BYXVbl5Jc
Hillary Clinton, Dems & MSM still today has ‘not really conceded the 2016 election’
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfb0IA0Ca0c
AOC reveals ‘authoritarian fascist instincts’ after calls for a list of Trump ‘sycophants’
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T76t9oGbZM
Coronavirus ‘fear campaign’ will now just fade away
“The United States is now going to see the “coronavirus magically disappear” now that Joe Biden and the Democrats have won the White House”
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch7Z3y5zDEI
– Dems couldn’t take over the poll stations and block GOP observers, that is why they couldn’t flip Texas
Canada
Must Watch – China, Iran celebrate
America’s enemies are celebrating Trump’s “loss” | Ezra Levant breaks down post-election events
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy0ctI9NuN0
“One more act in the perpetual coup” against Trump | Ben Weingarten with Ezra
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv5qx42CXuI
Ballot malarkey: Vote counters wearing BIDEN merchandise
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGnzctzFRj8
We now know why Biden stated “I don’t need voters to win”
Comedy Truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdPyOxSgt3A