Joe Biden has been President-elect for less than two weeks as of this writing. And even though he’s still months away from actually assuming office and facing Republican opposition in Congress, he’s already abandoning transformative change for tempered incrementalism. Progressives may have no choice but to primary him in 2024 if they want to avoid losing to an even worse version of Trump.
Even in the American political system they normally let the guy take office first……
So why did you cheat to put him in?
I, for one, am shocked that the senile husk of a man who was 100% supported by Big Tech, Wall Street, massive media conglomerates, the permanent establishment and China for the sole purpose of getting back to business as usual – with a thin sheen of identity politics minstrelsy to distract the proles while their jobs are shipped overseas and unlimited numbers of scab labour migrants pour in to replace domestic workers – should turn out not to be Bernie Sanders.
I don’t see the problem with backtracking on a firm commitment to cancel student debt. It’s not as if something similar hurt Nick Clegg.
Joe Biden is not “President-elect” ffs.
He’s president-elect-presumptive until the electoral college votes, isn’t he?
If some scandal broke out, e.g. that Biden was firmly in the pocket of the CCP, could the Electoral College change their votes? Who to?
What makes U.S. progressives so entertaining is their ability to completely ignore reality.
The Democrat Party didn’t rally behind Joe Biden in the primaries because they thought Joe Biden could beat Donald Trump, the Party rallied behind him to deny Bernie Sanders any chance at gaining the nomination. Any Bernie Bro with five working brain cells should have recognized that for what it was. But no, part and parcel of being a Progressive is the ability to ignore reality in favor of a belief that the triumph of the Progressive Cause is both inexorable and imminent.
So now they’re surprised and outraged that the party elders who promised them trinkets and goodies are passing them by? Why wouldn’t they? The Democrat Party screwed Sanders out of the 2016 nomination, and in 2020 the Progressives were back for more. Will they primary Biden in 2024? Of course not… They’ll be bought off with promises of trinkets and goodies just like they were in 2016 and 2020.
If some scandal broke out
If, eh.
Big Tech would aggressively censor it off the internet and the MSM would, if they mentioned it at all, explain how “white supremacists” are inventing crazy conspiracy theories and should be hounded out of society. The FBI would try to bury the evidence and threaten witnesses not to talk.
We know this because that’s exactly what happened when it emerged that Slow Joe was laundering foreign bribes through his crackhead son.
I, for one, am shocked that the senile husk of a man who was 100% supported by Big Tech, Wall Street, massive media conglomerates, the permanent establishment and China for the sole purpose of getting back to business as usual – with a thin sheen of identity politics minstrelsy to distract the proles while their jobs are shipped overseas and unlimited numbers of scab labour migrants pour in to replace domestic workers – should turn out not to be Bernie Sanders.
Steve –
You don’t get it. Bernie Sanders is exactly what Joe Biden is… A time-serving politician without a solid accomplishment or achievement to his name. He took what he got in 2016 from the Democrats without a whimper, and he took it again in 2020 without so much as a clearing of his throat. That’s not a socialist firebrand… That’s a liberal Democrat senator who put The Party before The Revolution.
There is no difference between Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, and that lack of a difference is important.
All Bernie Sanders wants now is a job in Biden’s Administration. A cabinet job will not further The Revolution, so we can safely assume it’s because Sanders thinks it will be a fitting end to his career.
If some scandal broke out, e.g. that Biden was firmly in the pocket of the CCP, could the Electoral College change their votes? Who to?
AIUI the election is still effectively between those on the tickets and that the electoral college are real people who were meant to be free agents who have to go to Washington to vote. The idea was that they would be capable of analysing the best guy for the job and voting accordingly. Quite a good idea when you think about the communications problems when the Founding Fathers were coming up with these rules.
In practice most states now have laws requiring them to vote the popular mandate and they can be sanctioned if they become faithless. The ability of the states to mandate them has been confirmed by the Supreme Court.
So, in theory they can vote for whoever they like, in practice they are legally obliged to vote for whoever took the popular vote in their State. (Except Nebraska and one other that I can’t be bothered to look up, where they split the votes).
As far as I’m aware, although there has been numerous occasions when electoral college voters have been faithless its never been enough to change the outcome of the vote.
No doubt I’ve got muddled somewhere and one of the UScon commentators will put me right.
Dennis – mildly disagree.
Sanders is an old school pinko (he honeymooned in the USSR ffs) just like Jeremy Corbyn.
Just like Jeremy Corbyn, and to a slightly lesser extent Trump, there was little or no realistic prospect of the permanent establishment allowing him to actually change anything important if, by some mischance, he got the big job.
But he’s sincere by political standards. One of the few long-serving Congressional figures who isn’t a multi-multi-millionaire AFAIK. Compared to most of them he’s a pauper. Joe Biden’s business, by contrast, is leveraging political office to sell access and favours.
@BiND, Hilary won the popular vote in 2016, but Trump won the electoral college vote.
SBML,
Yes, and quite a number of people who should have known better went berserk.
[email protected] question I took to be @botbte electoral college, which is on a state by state basis.
Steve –
Sanders caucuses with the Democrats and in all important respects votes Democrat… even when those votes go against the “progressive values” of his flock. He’s taken it like a bitch from both Clinton and Biden because in his heart of hearts, he’s a Democrat, not a commie. It’s worth noting that the reason he honeymooned in the USSR was because the city government he ran had partnered with a Soviet city in one of those buttfucking friendship agreements… He got the trip to the USSR on the City of Burlington’s dime. Would he have plunked down his own money to honeymoon in the USSR? I doubt it. He probably didn’t have the money to do so. So he started The Grift.
And yes, he may not have attained robber baron status like Biden, but he still owns three houses and will pass millions on to his family at the time of his death… all without ever having a meaningful earned income from anywhere other than his mayoral and senatorial jobs.
The difference between Sanders and Biden isn’t material, and materiality matters.
How fast you forget. That ended in 2016 when, prior to Trump inauguration, Obama ramped up FISA spying on Trump and Dems confirmed impeachment of Trump
@Bloke in Wales November 19, 2020 at 12:31 pm
Correct
Yet clown BoJo refers to Trump as “former” or “ex” President
Very early. Since he’s not actually the President-Elect yet.
The votes not done, not certified, and the Electoral College hasn’t voted yet.
Yes, he probably will be the next President. But he’s not President-Elect *yet*, until either Trump concedes or the electoral college tally the votes on Dec 14th.
But it’s cute that the Independent thinks he’ll still be around in 2024.
“Joe Biden has been President-elect for less than two weeks”
Yep, minus two weeks at the moment.
The Electors specifically vote in their state capitals specifically to keep them away from Washington.
He ain’t anything…yet. Sure the popular vote has been made, but that is only indicative. He isn’t officially president elected until the Electoral College votes, their votes are counted and the count certified. It ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings, no matter what the screaming libtards of the mainstream media might say.
Don’t you recall 2016? When Killary was campaigning for the electoral collage electors to “respect the popular vote” and give her the presidency. Not result was more faithless electors in history that opposed her. 🙂
Not that I expect anything significant to happen this time, it will be tired old party hacks that will be sent to Washington DC, people who can be relied upon NOT to vote for Donald Trump. It wouldn’t surprise me if a few tried to vote for Bernie though…
@John Galt
No matter how much evidence of fraud Trump has I think courts will reject ‘in public interest’ as they will be terrified of the riots, arson, murders etc Left will inflict if Dems don’t win. Democracy dead, intimidation rules
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– Way, way, over 100% voter turnout in many Biden districts
– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owAFhEesVyk
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– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA2g3naRE3w