Umm

Phil Espin says:
November 8 2020 at 9:09 am
Surely fascists are thrown out by violence not by the ballot box? If they leave when ordered by the electorate or courts doesn’t that make them democratic?

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Richard Murphy says:
November 8 2020 at 10:09 am
That really is not worthy of comment, it’s so wrong

Of course you can be a fascist in a democracy

And this is a fun prediction:

November 8 2020 at 10:03 am
Trump is still President for another 7 weeks, this is not over yet!

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Richard Murphy says:
November 8 2020 at 10:05 am
Agreed

But I still expect him to resign during that period so that Pence can grant him a presidential pardon

Pardon for what?

14 thoughts on “Umm”

  1. You can actually pardon somebody for EVERYTHING they might or might not have done (federal crimes only, doesn’t help you with state-level stuff) so there is no need to specify the offence or even admit there was one. See for example the wording of Proclamation 4311:

    NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

    If you want to cover your backside, even against the threat of vindictive or politically-motivated action in future, it’s a pretty nifty power to have.

  2. ‘Is there anything to stop him pardoning himself if he thinks it necessary?’

    Cool, svs. Perhaps this will become the last act of all future US presidents.

  3. Bloke in North Dorset

    “ For being hated by the Left”

    And they’ve already started drawing up lists of Trump’s political staff and associates, led on Twatter by “blue checks”

  4. “But I still expect him to resign during that period so that Pence can grant him a presidential pardon”

    And I still have money riding on Biden excusing himself for heath reasons within the year.. I’ve a feeling my bet is safer..

  5. Reagan broke the 20-year hoodoo, despite “forgetting to duck”. I think Biden is just the man to re-introduce it – providing he makes it to 20th January.

    Or is indeed actually elected.

  6. @svs

    “Is there anything to stop him pardoning himself if he thinks it necessary?”

    The long-standing legal uncertainty over whether a presidential self-pardon would be effective, mainly. The idea certainly looks a bit iffy and it doesn’t seem desirable for presidents to get into the habit of it. Perhaps if such backside protection is worth doing, it’s worth being iron-plated – so the idea of giving Pence a few days in the White House to sign it all off isn’t inherently barmy, but doesn’t seem especially in keeping with Trump’s character either. His most pressing legal problems post-presidency, whenever that may be, might be more likely to emanante from New York state anyway.

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