An answer presents itself

Something like the regime of regulation Cowperthwaite imposed om post-war Hong Kong?

Off topic. What is even more irritating than the words “educate yourself”?

“thank you for educating me on this”.

Johnson is greenfreak BlueMarxist shite who already has a very nasty package of econ ruin coming our way once Spewknack’s funny money cant cover it any longer.

Anyone expecting any Cowperthwaite-like behaviour from Blowjob–or any of his junta–is tripping.

This ain’t going to happen. I don’t believe that even the government and the party want it. The idea of “welfare state” has penetrated very deep. I suspect that 95% of any opportunities that brexit might bring are going to be wasted.

What about Singapore on Solent?

Hallowed Be
December 30, 2020 at 11:09 am
What about Singapore on Solent?

Sounds good to me.

Brexiteers have to spell out exactly what they plan to do with their newfound sovereignty.

We’ll do what the fuck we like. That was the whole point of the exercise. These pricks still have no idea, do they?

What BiW said. Squared.

The very idea that Brexiteers owe anyone a policy. We were not a party (even though there was one), we are not a government.

Remoaners now should be called rejoiners and are free to campaign for that. They would have to quantify the benefits of letting unelected foreigners run our country. Which they were never made to before.

Remoaners now should be called rejoiners and are free to campaign for that. They would have to quantify the benefits of letting unelected foreigners run our country. Which they were never made to before.

Quite, because we know full well that lots of the Euro elite think the UK will fail outside the EU and come crawling back. As for the Remoaners, I don’t want them to be silent. I want them to be wailing and gnashing their teeth while doing the country down ala “Despite BRExit”. I want them to recreate the same attitude of Britain in Decline that Labour did during the 3 Tory Governments of the 1960’s and 1980’s, because that way they can gradually diminish into well deserved irrelevance.

I also want British revolutionaries like Nigel Farrage to keep pushing against the liberal platitudes of the elite like letting the BBC continue to operate despite its EU treachery.

The revolution is not over. It has only just begun.

It strikes me that after 30 years of the EU tearing the Conservative Party apart its going to be Labour’s turn for the foreseeable future.

Apart from most of the Conservative Party remainers grudgingly accepting that its over, they know which side their bread is buttered on and they need to keep the Red Wall on side.

Labour remainers, on the other hand, seems to have decided that the war still goes on and look like they will continue to push the party towards ever closer union with hints at rejoining. They won’t be able to help themselves and will continue to sneer at the Red Wall Brexit voters.

Labour remainers, on the other hand, seems to have decided that the war still goes on and look like they will continue to push the party towards ever closer union with hints at rejoining. They won’t be able to help themselves and will continue to sneer at the Red Wall Brexit voters.

Great. I hope they do push the no-BRExit / Rejoin EU argument to the fullest, since that will gold plate the Red Wall and add lots more constituencies to the Tories tally come 2024. Not that I like the Tories or BoJo, but the extermination of Labour as a political force is worth the cost.

Sure, Sir Keir Hardie Starmer is trying to play the pragmatism card, but it’s a bit like locking the door after the horse has bolted. We spent most of the period between the EU Referendum and his election as leader watching Starmer try to ride roughshod over the results of the referendum by any means possible. To say this twit is tainted by his actions (and those prior actions as Director of Public Prosecutions) is an understatement. He’s yet another interim leader of the opposition who can neither lead nor effectively oppose. I’ll be surprised if he lasts another year before being ousted.

Diogenes: The EU will eventually fail but I don’t think it is currently such a rickety Jenga pile that us now being out will start the collapse. I will enjoy the popcorn watching them stagger from crisis to crisis though via sclerotic bureaucracy.

“within the parameters of ”

This use always implies to me that the writer is none too clear on what a parameter is. But it sounds like perimeter so it’s OK to be within it.

Just to demonstrate the levels of nastiness out there in Remain-land , there’s an article in today’s Times about 90% of the A380 fleet being grounded by Covid restrictions (behind paywall, natch), and Airbus may cease production. Here’s one of the more extreme comments:

Benjamin: A good opportunity for Airbus to closedown the Welsh factory and bring all production into the EU.
The people working in the factory will finally get what they voted for

CM (for it is he):Stupid, nasty comment, from a stupid, nasty person.

Benjamin: Truth hurts doesn’t it?

Why should Airbus continue with the extra costs of transporting aircraft wings from Wales to Toulouse?

As for setting up a new factory Airbus will have maybe 5 years before airlines begin to order planes in any quantity, until then you can keep the factory open in Wales to fill any orders.

Nobody knows what the future holds but if you look at it purely on a business perspective what I say is perfectly logical.

CM: Truth? You wouldn’t know the truth if it sat on you. FYI Broughton makes all the wings for Airbus, including the A320neo and A350.
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/how-is-an-aircraft-built/production.html
A380 production was almost certain to end soon, even without Covid forcing Airbus’s hand.

Your ignorance and stupidity may be forgiven, but your arrogant cackling at the thought that thousands might lose their jobs, just because you lost a democratic vote four years ago, marks you out as a thoroughly nasty-minded individual, even by the high standards set by the rest of the never-Leave brigade.

@BiND “Singapore is renowned for its petty regulations that control everyday life cf the chewing gum ban.”

To be fair, this came in when I worked there, after a long battle to get the local oicks from dropping used gum on the pavements, in the subway carriages, everywhere. Persuasion unsuccessful, so law used – and enforced – and effective.
They dont have many dopeheads either, or everyday stabbings of the UK variety.
And a party-going lass who worked for the same company could go out at night and return home in the dark without being molested, or worse.
Much to admire, though nowhere’s grit-free.

@Bill G
Here’s an example. Not the best, not the only, but you asked for an example.
The tampon tax.
All UK political parties agree that feminine hygiene products should be VAT free. There is no contention about it. This has been agreed position for many years.
Makes no difference whatsoever.
EU position is VAT, once levied, can only ever go up, never down or out.
So it doesnt matter who you vote for, or what they say, the position is fixed. You will obey!

Except now, VAT, rates, scope, everything, is a matter for UK parliament(s) to be selected by UK voters.

Whether you support or oppose this specific item’s VAT rate is not the point. The point is you now get to choose, via voting.

As I said, just a single example.
Another: wood working companies could now, potentially, be allowed to burn their offcuts in their heating, as they used to, before EU Waste Directive ‘stove’ in a rib or two with a jackboot.

BillG,

Are you familiar with the term ‘expats’? 😉

@BillG
Not sure where your 27 number is from. Subtract RoI but add Nor, Lie, Ice then I think the number you lose automatic entitlement to do those things is 29. So from Friday you get the same rights as say a Canadian. Ask nicely, show them your skills, fill in forms and pay the fee if any, indicate a wish to integrate and you’ll be fine. Pollok type places excepted.
Surely you are not really in favour of centralised landowner subsidies and a centralised to Brussels convergence system based on handouts to capitalists who have already made it.
The UK is capable of equal stupidity, but if we realise it we don’t have to hire lobbyists to petition 27 other places to change their regulations at the same time or hide behind EU rules if we can change them anyway.

@bloke on the A303

Your point 2): I had a quick go-ogle and in 2002 I think 54% of exports went to the EU while in 2019 it was 43%. A day from now we will no longer a captive market for them. What will that be in 5 or 10 years, and what markets are there for the EU to make up for the loss of this one?

This is the real blow and we have to do nothing except trade.

Those people whining about how the UK would be bad to become Singapore-on-Thames are big city dwellers who would far rather live in Singapore than in Halifax.

As a former resident of Halifax I would have to disagree. I found Singapore a much nicer place than Halifax. However, the proposition of Singapore-on-Thames is rather undermined by the actions of the current Mayor of London who seems intent on wrecking the place before he is ousted one year later than he should have been thanks to BoJo and his COVID-19 related reprieve.

Then again Singapore itself was the dream of Lee Kwan Yew and has been going decidedly downhill since his death. They’ll be reuniting with Malaysia again at this rate.

Then again Singapore itself was the dream of Lee Kwan Yew and has been going decidedly downhill since his death. They’ll be reuniting with Malaysia again at this rate.

Unification with Malaya being Lee Kuan Yew’s earlier dream. A clever but odd character, people tend to think Harry was playing 4D chess all along whereas he was, like the rest of us, just forming his opinions as he was carried by the times. Politically leftie early on, conservative later.

Not sure by what measure Singapore is going downhill.

@Mark: My point 2) was about imports from the EU. At present we import £250 billion or so of goods, a lot of it being food, from the EU at prices that are substantially higher than world prices, because they are protected from competition by EU external tariffs. Outside the EU we can buy Uruguayan beef for 30% less and Chinese solar panels for 40% less than EU prices.

Ha ha, thanks A303, you’ve just made me realise …..

Before Christmas I ordered Avery expensive piece of equipment, several hundred pounds, and paid by CC. The invoice came in at a lot less. It puzzled me but I wasn’t going to argue, we’re talking £100+.

I thought it must be the price for the new year or something and their website hadn’t been updated, but when I checked just now it’s at the higher price still.

My hope is that it’s being imported from a country that we’ve already done a trade deal with but they’ve got to show it at the EU tariffed price until midnight. When I checked the discount is exactly 20%.

Or maybe I’ll get a VAT bill later (: