Didn’t they already predict this?

Sledging, building snowmen and having snowball fights could become a thing of the past by 2100 as global warming will eradicate lying snow, according to new analysis by the Met Office.

The detailed climate change projections suggest that if no action is taken to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions, the UK’s winters will become warmer and wetter, and our summers will heat up and become drier.

And hasn’t the date of the prediction already passed?

The other question we might want to ask being what’s wrong with warmer winters and drier summers?

31 thoughts on “Didn’t they already predict this?”

  1. “If things don’t change…”
    But things haven’t not changed. CO2 emissions are down 50%* from 1990. (*ish)

    “If CO2 increases at the current rate…”
    The current rate, which is negative, so more reductions will increase warming.

    “…there will be almost no snow in Britain…”
    So, just like the climate of the Roman occupation then. Bring. It. On.

    “….this is a global problem”
    Ah, so send the gunboats into China and India to destroy their industry then.

  2. And the new Ice Age predicted in the ‘70s didn’t happen either.
    Yes, I know the current warm period is an interglacial. And it’s due to end soon. That’s why it was speculated – back in the ‘60s – that greenhouse gas would benefit us by extending the interglacial period.
    That was when scientists studied the climate and didn’t pretend they could tune the thermostat to deliver perfect weather.

  3. White people will be on the verge of extinction by 2100 so no reason not to employ a scorched earth strategy.

  4. I’ve just noticed something ( apols if this has already been solved). I had one of those stupid “Posting too quickly” messages just now.

    I think that JuliaM and I were posting at the same time, I just happened to get the earlier timestamp ( there s no granularity past the minute).

    Julia, did you have to try and post twice ?

  5. At least this time the prediction is for far enough in the future that no-one alive will live to see it falsified.
    They have learned something!

  6. I seem to remember they published this and then we had the grim winter of 2009 / 2010 when we were snowed in, iced up and it barely scraped above freezing until March. Of course they pulled the “This is weather not climate”, but it just made them look like the idiots they were.

    The entirety of their climate argument is based on poor historical data plugged up with assumptions and proxies in which the increase in climate temperatures is virtually a rounding error whose existence is so tenuous it has to be backed up by the force of law and the whole Warble Gloaming credo of “The Sky is falling…”.

    It’s somewhere between a lie and a scam.

  7. This is a quote from the BBC propaganda.

    “It suggests by the 2040s most of southern England could no longer see sub-zero days. By the 2060s only high ground and northern Scotland are still likely to experience such cold days.”

    It’s sufficiently vague that just about any outcome could be said to have fulfilled the prediction. Define “most” for example, or what date is actually “the 2040s”. And still far enough in the future that the whole scam be kept going.

    @John Galt “It’s somewhere between a lie and a scam.” It’s also a belief system/religion for many people.

  8. Ian Reid, and most likely those making the predictions won’t be around to have their arses kicked when their prophesies of doom haven’t come to pass.

  9. “We need to destroy civilisation to stop CO2 increasing by xx%”
    Ok, we’ve done that without destroying civilisation.
    “What? Oh, I meant we need to destroy civilisation to stop temperatures going up 2C”.
    Huuugh. Ok, bit of an effort, done that without destroying civilisation.
    “NOO!!! We need to, errmmm, I know, destroy civilisation to, err… use less land for food”
    Done in the 1950s.
    “NO!!!! Aren’t you listening? We need to destroy civilisation!!!!”

  10. “NO!!!! Aren’t you listening? We need to destroy civilisation!!!!”

    Replace civilisation with capitalism and you’ve hit the nail on the head.

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    I’m starting to yearn for the the days when the threat was that if you weren’t vaporised you’d be living in a nuclear winter. At least the bogeyman was real weapons and the idiots in charge were daft enough to make a stupid move and see them used.

  12. If you think about it, for a bit, the predictions here have to be bollocks. Midwinter noon temperature range in the SE is something like around -10 > +10 with anomalies outside that . So you get a 2 deg warming. That moves the range to -8 > +12. That still gives you the opportunity to have widespread lying snow. Just not as often

  13. “The detailed climate change projections suggest that if no action is taken to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions, the UK’s winters will become warmer and wetter, and our summers will heat up and become drier.”

    They’ve been saying this for ages and the first part is actually true, winters have become warmer and wetter over the last 20 years. The second part is partly completely opposite to reality – summers have become far wetter in the same period. I’ve been through the Met Office data and in the last 20 years we’ve had 8 extremely wet summers (defined as over 300mm of rain in June, July and August). In the preceded 40 years (1960 to 2000) we had 2 such years. Average summer rainfall has risen over the last 20 years.

    The ‘hotter summers’ part of the prediction is sort of true, but not in the way they’d like us to think. There has been a little rise in daily maximum temperatures over the last 30 years, but a significant one in daily minimum temperatures, thus rising the average daily temperature, but not in a way that any of us would notice. Most likely, (in increasingly built upon Britain) as a result of increasing amounts of urbanisation surrounding the recording stations. What we have NOT seen, despite the usual screaming headlines every summer declaring ‘Record temperature recorded’ (which is always at Heathrow, oddly enough a place consisting entirely of massive amounts of concrete and tarmac) is a significant rise in daily maximum temperatures. Summers are not any obviously hotter than they used to be and are definitely wetter.

    My argument is that this is due more to the main driver of the UK’s weather – the sea surface temperature of the North Atlantic. When the N Atlantic is in a cool phase, this promotes high pressure systems to build in the Atlantic and either cover the UK or block low pressure systems from coming over the UK from the West. High pressure means dry summers and cool winters. The NA was in such a cool phase from about 1960 to about 2000, and this coincided with drier summers and cooler winters. Since 2000 the NA has been in a warm phase (last seen in the 1940s and 50s) and this is means that low pressure systems are more likely to form in the NA and sweep in in the prevailing winds over the UK. Creating wet and stormy (but mild) winters and wet and cooler summers.

    We are seeing some indications that the NA may be moving back to more neutral sea surface temperatures, maybe even into negative territory. It certainly was in negative territory during 2018, which of course coincided with the driest summer for about 25 years, caused by a big blocking high pressure system sat out off Greenland for months on end that prevented any low pressure systems approaching the UK.

    I would predict that over the next decade summers will improve, become drier, and winters more traditionally wintery, as they were between 1960 and 2000.

  14. The real problem is this crap is enshrined in UK law from the days of the Bacon Sandwich Eater, reinforced by further lunacy from St Theresa of the Ninth Circle, and now our PM in thrall to the Nutty Princess. Sadly I’ll probably live long enough to see the fundamental damage to life in the UK this will bring, and my children certainly will.

  15. We’ve been having the “children in the UK will grow up never knowing what snow is” stories in the grauniad, the independent, the bbc and the other purveyors of fantasy fiction every year for the past 20 years. I wonder if they race each other to publish the first one of each year?

  16. But I bet you that the children of Guardian and Independent columnists and BBC hot air generators will still get their ski trips to France or Switzerland every year.

  17. @Ottokring: ’ Julia, did you have to try and post twice ?’

    No, I haven’t had that for a while. Thought whatever was causing it had been fixed, but maybe not.

  18. @JuliaM
    “What will eradicate the lying global warmists, is what we should be asking”

    …and be sure to destroy the egg-sacs…

  19. “We’ve been having the “children in the UK will grow up never knowing what snow is” stories in the grauniad, the independent, the bbc and the other purveyors of fantasy fiction every year for the past 20 years.”

    Have we? I got the impression that was one prediction that got rather rapidly memory holed, mainly because of the very cold winters not long after, around 2009-2012-ish.

    My feeling would be that the reappearance of this sort of thing in the MSM is a good forward indicator that we’re due some cold winters in the next few years. Which given we are entering a prolonged period of solar inactivity is on the cards anyway, via more scientific prediction methods.

  20. Sledging, building snowmen and having snowball fights

    No snow in Australia doesn’t stop their cricketers from sledging.

    I’ll get me coat.

  21. “We’ve been having the “children in the UK will grow up never knowing what snow is” stories in the grauniad, the independent, the bbc and the other purveyors of fantasy fiction every year for the past 20 years.”

    Have we? I got the impression that was one prediction that got rather rapidly memory holed, mainly because of the very cold winters not long after, around 2009-2012-ish.

    This is the main one I was thinking of, from 2000 and archived at: https://www.climatedepot.com/2018/01/04/flashback-2000-snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-children-just-arent-going-to-know-what-snow-is-uk-independent/

    Memory-holed on the original site, of course.

  22. Australia gets quite a bit of snow, sufficient for three to four months of skiing in the winter in NSW, Tassie, ACT and Danistan. Even parts of Queensland get snow.

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