Got it already

Victims should get a legal right to have a say on the sentencing of a criminal, according to a report for the victims’ commissioner.

“It was ‘im. ‘Eee dun it! Lock ‘im up and fro’ away the key!”

Everyone and anyone has an absolute right so say such things already.

Oh, wait, the idiot is suggesting that they get to determine the sentence? What is buggery are we using the judge for them?

17 thoughts on “Got it already”

  1. I think it’s a great idea. Let’s get some retributive justice going, determined by the most aggrieved person involved. The only suggestion I’d make is that the range of punishments be thought of more holistically… so you’d have someone convicted of aggravated assault, for example, going down for 2 years and a firm kick in the bollocks from the victim.

  2. As the judge is likely to be a liberal prat with absolutely nothing in common with most victims of crime, I suggest they are not well suited to pronouncing sentences.

    See many cases of perp being given smack on wrist despite long list of previous. Also egregiously long sentences for trivial crimes (pissing next to a memorial).

  3. Isn’t that the whole point of victim impact statements? These are presented to the court before sentencing in order to give the victim a voice and the judge an understanding of the magnitude of the impact. The judge can then use this info in order to aid sentencing?

    The judge then works within the sentencing guidelines to ensure that consistent and fair sentences are enforced regardless of the colour of the criminal or education level, eloquence or tabloid appeal of the victim. … well that is the target anyway even if reality is undoubtably not as clear, it is almost certainly better having trained judges doing it than the mob.

  4. @ Andrew C

    Yes, they try to make out the problem with the practitioners of the RoP don’t exist, however (from Page 25):

    “In the remaining 1,200 cases, ethnicity data was unknown for 38% of them. Where data was available 30% of offenders were White, while 28% were Asian.”

    And Asians (well Pakistani not Orientals) are 28% of the population are they? That’ll be like the 29% of the population of London who are black (when it comes to knife crime) I guess (10% in reality)

    “Looking at the offenders across all groups, of the 306 offenders 75% were Asian.”

    So between 28% and 75% of the population is Asian. Funny that, I though it was < 5%.

    Definitely nothing to see here.

  5. The mole- yes, but this is more a case of Lawyers and police not having the same motivations as a victim. They may decide all sorts of things based on convenience, cost, side of bed, lunch, time of month. Knowing you have to inform and justify decisions to someone who’s intimately concerned with the case. I like the idea while remaining a bit skeptical of how exactly it would operate.

  6. I’m very much for fair play and justice. Although this is a stupid idea. Some of us will let people off some of us will hang someone for dropping a banana skin.

    I still believe we should define sentences for crimes and regardless of culprit we all get it. The only modifier is that there is a modifier for number of previous offences. So sentence for 2nd offence is base sentence * 2. 3rd is base sentence * 4 and so on. 4th is base sentence * 8 and so on.

    Justice needs to be fair.

  7. One could bring back the stocks to give the victims, or at least the locals, a real say.

    But if you did that, I suspect that a lot of those who get off with a caution wouldn’t last an hour.

  8. Fvck the victims. The criminal justice system doesn’t exist for revenge. The objectives are keeping them away from society and rehabilitation *cough*.

    ‘Victim’ statements are good for determining impact of the crime, but their opinion as to sentence is stupid. And irrelevant.

  9. Heh, fuck the judges, their opinions on protecting society and delivering rehabilitation are stupid beyond belief.

  10. itellyounothing, that’s right. The bigger the city, the more the judge’s attention turns to social justice, and not protecting the people. Revolving door justice doesn’t help the perp, either. They escalate until they commit a crime the judge can’t ignore any more.

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    Most/some of the time the problem is sentencing guidelines.

    My grandfather told me that those of his friends that got birthed never went back for more.

  12. @BiND

    What did the old sentencing guidelines have against reincarnationists? 🙂

    One US-UK difference that surprised me is just how common corporal punishment remains is (mostly rural) schools in the USA: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45490196 “Georgia school to ask parents to paddle students as punishment”, and this NPR story about Florida https://www.npr.org/2012/09/11/160952356/corporal-punishment-in-schools-does-it-work?t=1608240244476 (which suggests “students who are paddled once are very often re-paddled” so perhaps contrary to your grandfather’s impression, though different times and places and cultures of course).

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