It’s an odd world, isn’t it?

Warning that stereotyping persists in parenting, education and the commercial sector – notably toys, books and fashion – the commission is calling on the government to “take meaningful steps” to better support teachers and parents and challenge simplisic “pink and blue” labelling in the corporate sector.

The commission urges the Department for Education to make challenging gender stereotypes a priority all the way through teaching and childcare – from initial training, to the curriculum, to inspection frameworks. It also wants toy companies to drop separate categories in their advertising and product design, designers to end stereotypical imagery and slogans on clothes, and the representation of female characters improved in books, TV and online content.

On the one hand we must abolish these stereotypical assumptions. On the other hand any atypical child is urged to have its gonads ripped out.

28 thoughts on “It’s an odd world, isn’t it?”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    I read someone this week who said that “Equality” was now America’s second Constitution. It has over-ridden the old values of the actual Constitution and now dominated.

    The same is clearly true for Britain. Because of “Equality” we need all embracing social engineering? Censorship? Government control of everything?

    Fuck off. Just fuck off. Then fuck off some more.

  2. If there is less disparity between the expectations of what a girl does and what a boy does, then those kids less inclined towards the mean for the gender that matches what is in their underpants ought to be less inclined to question whether what is in their underpants is incorrect.

    So although this is really nothing to do with the thorny question of dysphoria in children, changing how expectations around gender are presented to kids should help those erring towards the controversial side feel less like they’re is something wrong with them that requires drastic intervention.

    So instead of a boy who likes ballet and pink thinking ‘these are girl things, maybe I am supposed to be a girl’ he just thinks ‘these are things I like. And that is fine’).

  3. Boys and girls ARE different. So the commission appears to be encouraging the DofE to become the Department of Indoctrination. I’m with SMFS – although I find him a little understated.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    The Thought Gang December 15, 2020 at 10:31 am – “So although this is really nothing to do with the thorny question of dysphoria in children, changing how expectations around gender are presented to kids should help those erring towards the controversial side feel less like they’re is something wrong with them that requires drastic intervention.”

    So you are saying we need a totalitarian control over public expression in order to create a Cultural Revolution the like of which the West has never seen, just so some tiny number of freaks might, *might*, feel better about themselves?

    I am holding two fingers up. Guess which two.

  5. We seem to find that it works the other way. We’ve certainly got greater equality these days about what can be done. We’ve less insistence that girls can;t do this, boys must that. And yet ever more gonads get chopped off……

  6. Boys and girls ARE different

    Can confirm. I feel sure people who think sex differences (apart from the obvious) are socially constructed or “assigned” either don’t have children of their own or weren’t paying attention.

    Pink and blue are arbitrary visual shorthand slapped on something that isn’t arbitrary at all. Children tend* to have gendered interests and behaviours from a very early age independently of whatever expectations their parents set.

    For egg sample – you don’t need to encourage extremely small boys who can’t even verbally express themselves beyond cave-toddler grunts to be fascinating by vehicles and machinery. The magnificent British binman is a hero in the eyes of the nation’s 1-4 year old boys, because he drives an enormous steel chariot that makes loud noises and goes BEEP BEEP BEEP. This is not due to a Patriarchal conspiracy to encourage male heirs to join the waste disposal profession.

    You don’t have to teach tiny girls to be obsessed with playing house or cooing over dollies.

    Little girls are smarter than little boys. They’re much faster and more fluent in developing language and social skills and surprisingly clever about getting what they want. Typical scenario:

    Male toddler: “Park? Dada. Park!”

    Female toddler: “Daddy you are so strong! Can you carry me all the way to the park?”

    *Sometimes little girls like playing with toy cars and little boys might play with dollies and that’s ok. Venn diagrams can significantly overlap but still be useful

  7. “the thorny question of dysphoria in children”

    Given the less than 1:10.000 incidence of actual, medically verified cases of gender dysphoria, it just might be an idea to let the 99.99+% of kids simply be kids, and make sure to pick up the pieces without prejudice in the rare cases it’s needed?

    But that would be too easy, innit?

  8. @ SMFS

    No. I am not saying that. I am saying what I wrote. The clue is in the words.. that I wrote.. that barely contained any of the words you wrote.

  9. @ Grikath

    Sure. But it was our host who linked the blue/pink thing to gonad removal. I was the one saying that they’re different things. So go talk to him about making everything about the TrAnS iSsUe. I just think it’s a good idea to treat boys and girls the same, as much as possible, so that they are less inclined to think they are supposed to do and like certain things because of their gender. I think that would be nice. I think it should be voluntary. It might help a few kids with dysphoria issues, but obviously that’s a fringe benefit only worth a mention given that the topic had been introduced as some sort of contradiction.

  10. Steve,
    … and little boys might play with dollies and that’s ok.

    We call them ‘action figures’ thank you very much.

    A past girlfriend came with two small children, neither of whom spoke any English. The girl learnt “Papa I want …” In a matter of days, but I was still talking to the boy in pidgin Thai a year later.

  11. A past girlfriend came with two small children, neither of whom spoke any English. The girl learnt “Papa I want …” In a matter of days, but I was still talking to the boy in pidgin Thai a year later.

    Who’s really the smart one here? The girl that learnt a foreign language, or the boy that trained you to learn his?

  12. Steve,

    “Sometimes little girls like playing with toy cars and little boys might play with dollies and that’s ok. Venn diagrams can significantly overlap but still be useful”

    As a boy, I used to like baking and it never put me off that there were women all over cookbooks and adverts for microwaves. I was just interested in the cookery. It’s the same with girls who are into computing.

    Most of the feminazis don’t have degrees in physics or computer science. They aren’t oppressed science nerds. They complain that stereotyping discourages girls from doing these subjects, but they have zero interest in them.

    And yes, men and women are generally of a type. It’s why, despite schools, civil society and businesses working their socks off to get more women into computer science, it isn’t happening. Women just aren’t interested. The women I know that are very good programmers are overwhelmingly childless or lesbians. Which isn’t to condemn them, but to point out that they aren’t particularly from the normal bit of the spectrum.

  13. It would be useful to admit that the stereotyping equally arises from the child realising that mummy is a girl and daddy is a boy and they have different qualities and characteristics.

    Seen from that perspective, it’s hard to know what meaningful steps any government can take to eradicate a child’s powers of observation.

  14. Dear Mr Worstall

    Centuries-old charity, which only gets a little bit of taxpayers’ money, dedicated to finding inequalities everywhere is now at the level of seeking motes at the electron microscope level.

    Too much time, too little to do.

    @ So Much For Subtlety December 15, 2020 at 10:15 am – my sentiments exactly.

    DP

  15. “So instead of a boy who likes ballet and pink thinking ‘these are girl things, maybe I am supposed to be a girl’ he just thinks ‘these are things I like. And that is fine’).”

    But it won’t be that will it? It’ll be ‘No Billy, you can’t play with the fire engine any more, we’ve thrown it away, have this gender neutral and suitably diverse dolly’ instead.

    Look, we’ve seen this film. We know how it ends. Its not about making life easier for the occasional misfit, its about making everyone else toe the line. Its all about reducing the rights of the majority not increasing those of the minority.

    So as SMFs says, fuck you and the horse you rode in on. We know the drill now and we’re not falling for this bait and switch bullshit again.

  16. @The Thought Gang

    I read you wrote. Very similar and similarly wordy bullshit to that spouted by our former resident tranny fancier.

    May I refer you to the final line of SMFS’s first comment.

  17. the less than 1:10.000 incidence of actual, medically verified cases of gender dysphoria

    And remember those medically verified cases are cases of a mental illness. Not something that can be cured by surgical mutilation.

  18. And also tell us, TTG, do you think it’s similarly a good idea to treat black and white people the same, as much as possible?

    And if not, why not?

  19. Roue – That’s adorable. 🙂

    JuliaM – I treat women and girls a lot nicer.

    I read a quote from some African American bloke in the United States Marine Corps who said that there’s no racism in the Corps – they treat everyone as if they were black. Being male is the same type of arrangement.

  20. It also wants toy companies to drop separate categories in their advertising and product design,

    Differences in play and toy preference have even been observed in monkeys FFS!

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13596-male-monkeys-prefer-boys-toys/

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-29418230

    And yet ever more gonads get chopped off……

    Probably due to social pressure as much as anything. If you have teachers pushing the LGBT agenda in schools, plus pro-trans propaganda in the media, that’s a pretty potent mix to expose children to.

  21. This has morphed away from the article at the top, which is clearly more of the same PC woke leftie bollocks.

    But looking at one or two of the comments, is it wrong or odd – at least as a start point – to treat people similarly, and just because of notions of binary (F/M, B/W, S/H, whatever)? This is not about how they might react, it’s how we approach things?

    Steve’s absolutely right of course (whether it’s holding a door open or less subtle, or whatever other variations), but I’m with the open or politeness issue on this one. Conceptually, start off with a straight bat. Let the other person pitch it back. Then my turn again.

    Rather than just assume “ginger hair, I know she’s going to crap on the carpet”?

  22. Why do Gillette sell pink razors?
    Because Girls wanted them

    This proves the Left are denying reality
    – Is your Brain Male or Female (Monkeys And Toys)- BBC Two (3m 31s)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm9xXyw2f7g

    For me, I don’t care if it’s a girl or boy thing – if I like it, I do it. In general girl things don’t interest me and I don’t do

    Boy things I have no interest in: football, getting drunk, watching sport (except motor sport)

    On Trans surge – seemed obvious to me few years ago : the latest rebel Fad in schools, but now encouraged by teachers
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/peer-pressure-and-transgender-teens/

  23. @Steve
    Excellent

    I had free childhood – parents let me do anything. Photo of me aged 2 sitting on patio in sun hammering nails into lump of wood I’d taken from garage

    First bicycle: I took it apart, even removed pedal crank & steering column from frame – ball bearings everywhere and clothes covered in grease. Parents: you did it, you fix it

    I also liked helping mum in kitchen, learning how to sew…

    @BoM4
    Baking: me to. I watched and learned, then one autumn Sunday picked some apples and surprised parents and grand parents by presenting ‘Afternoon Tea with Hot Apple Pie’. I was 9, kitchen far enough from drawing room for no smell

    @TMB

    stereotyping equally arises from the child realising that mummy is a girl and daddy is a boy

    Video above proves you’re wrong

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