“No, no!” said the Queen. “Sentence first—verdict afterwards.”


Dozens of the Conservative Party’s most senior MPs have joined a rebellion against the Prime Minister in an attempt to block the Government from signing trade deals with countries accused of genocide.

Given the ease with which such accusations are bandied about – I’m sure there are those insisting we should not have free trade with England under this rubric because England is engaged in a genocide of the culturally diverse – basing it upon the accusation is ludicrous.

Thirty-three Tory MPs supported an amendment to the Government’s Trade Bill, proposed in the House of Lords, which would have prevented the Government from signing a free trade agreement with any country the High Court ruled was committing genocide.

That’s better but still wrong. For the benefit of trade is to the consumer of the imports. Why punish either us or them other consumers for the actions of a government?

9 thoughts on ““No, no!” said the Queen. “Sentence first—verdict afterwards.””

  1. Since countries buy arms to kill people, and usually want lots more when they’re in the process of using them up, this would achieve the woke policy of wrecking UK arms exports.

    One does wonder whether they’re all in the pay of Russia or China. (Hey, if it’s good enough for Trump, it’s good enough for them.)

  2. Yeah. Genocide has a very specific meaning. It doesn’t mean killing some people, it’s about exterminating a race.

    China don’t want to eliminate the Uighurs, they want to eliminate the people leading the fight for a separate Islamic state. So, you find the leaders, the priests, and you kill them, sterilise them, take their children away so that they are not indoctrinated. It’s rather like religious wars of the 16th century, destroying a culture. But it isn’t genocide.

  3. . . . any country the High Court ruled was committing genocide.

    It should have fuck all to do with the High Court (of England and Wales) what crimes foreign entities are alleged to be committing against foreigners outside the UK. It’s a matter for the executive branch.


    I do like that Trump has officially classed China as committing genocide. Now China Joe has to either deal with a genocidal regime or reclassify what’s happening to the Uighurs as not genocide.

  4. Genocide has a very specific meaning. It doesn’t mean killing some people, it’s about exterminating a race.

    Er, no.

    * “The United Nations Genocide Convention, which was established in 1948, defines genocide as “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such” including the killing of its members, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately imposing living conditions that seek to “bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”, preventing births, or forcibly transferring children out of the group to another group.” *


    BTW, I completely agree we should not have free trade deals with places like China. Such arrangements should be with countries much closer to our values. Limited trade for the others.

  5. Useless shite cant rebel against Johnson for ruining the UK economy via his virus-freak out but they can kick up over this?

  6. PJF,

    Geno: race, people.

    Are they destroying a race or a people? No, they aren’t. It was coined in terms of the active destruction of a people, which is not what is happening in China.

  7. There was a complaint about an MP pointing out that on this basis we couldn’t trade with Australia and Canada.
    Another MP said this was insulting to them, totally missing that they have both apologised for historical actions against Indigenous/First Nations so the claim was valid.

  8. Bloke on M4,

    FFS. Genocide has a definition (see above) established and used by governments. Certain pendants may not like it but their view won’t extend beyond internet bickering.

  9. Entertaining. One could thus argue that the UK government is conducting genocide against its people. Of course the same claim could be made against the Democrats in the US.

    But white lives don’t matter.

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