Quite so Guardian, quite so

The real tangle of red tape is now at the EU border, where Brexit imposes cumbersome new procedures. The cost is already being paid, as fish and other animal products rot before they can be cleared for continental markets. The drag on growth is inevitable. There were warnings, but leavers dismissed them as scaremongering. Ministers now hardly dare admit that such problems exist. The tragedy – and the absurdity – of the situation is that Mr Johnson will feel compelled to indulge the rhetoric of releasing business from a burden of imagined bureaucracy to avoid taking responsibility for the real burden, imposed by him. The prime minister will indulge policies based on ideological fiction, because he turned his back on economic facts several years ago.

These being the red tape and bureaucracy we’ve been imposing on the 6.5 billion out there not in the EU for the past few decades.

Given that the benefit of trade is the imports isn’t it fun that Brexit now shows us the costs of EU membership.

15 thoughts on “Quite so Guardian, quite so”

  1. Forgive my ignorance but are we still dealing with imports from the rest of the world via the EU pattern or have the rules for the other 6.5 billion changed? If they have not they really should. Once out of the bucket of puke that is the EU we need to drop all their bullshit.

  2. How do fish and other animal products from the rest of the world find their way into the EU without rotting?

  3. It seems to me that currently every story that is being reported in order to show that the remainers were right in fact shows that the leavers were right. The EU being a hive of bureaucratic twattery, the EU behaving like an abusive ex partner, the EU screwing up their covid vaccination program, and so on.

  4. “The cost is already being paid, as fish and other animal products rot before they can be cleared for continental markets.”

    Interesting.. Last time I checked animal products nowadays are never transported internationally at temperatures where they can rot. More likely frozen stiff in a refrigerated trailer/container.

    And last time I checked fish has to be frozen at minimum-something-bloodycold for at least x hours. To kill parasites/parasite eggs. Which all but the smallest commercial fishing vessels are equipped for. And the small ones use facilities at the local harbour/fish auction. You rarely see them in Foreign harbours.
    So…Hmmmmm… :/

  5. Bloke in China (Germany province)

    In one shopping trip, to one shop, I can buy Norwegian salmon, USian beef, Argentinian wine, Kenyan coffee, Turkish tahini, Moroccan tinned mackerel, Canadian wheat flour, Swiss cheese, Pakistani rice, Japanese flaked fish, Iranian spices, and New Zealand lamb.

    Whatever the absurdities of EU import regulations (which I don’t doubt, as everywhere on the planet has absurd import regulations), it seems to be a uniquely British inability to work out how to deal with them.

  6. We’ve been debating this sporadically on this site. It seems that there must be a bunch of businesses that only export to the EU and import from the EU and, despite the passage of 4 years, have never bothered to find out about VAT and customs declarations… Because of all our online discussions, my phone is deluged now with adverts from trade and legal specialists offering to help with the “paperwork”-it’s mostly digital. How is the Guardian able to find all these numpty businessmen who don’t even own a smartphone?

  7. Most goods are sold ex-works, the date on the invoice is the shipping date, payment 30 days or whatever from then. Goods rotted before you got them? Talk to your insurer or get compensation from whoever caused them to rot. It is no different from goods lost if a cargo ship sinks, or a lorry catches fire.

    UK seller still gets their money. It is the folk in the EU who will be worse off.

  8. Bloke in China (Germany province)

    Isn’t it part of the problem that these things often are peanuts for Global Megacorp Inc. shipping billions worth of stuff back and forth every month, but a serious hassle for Mom’n’Pop? To the extent the Global Megacorp Inc. is often very much in favour of further regulation, red tape, inspections, etc, for which they can easily afford the small department to dedicate to staying on top of all?

  9. I have to say that during the past two times, ie two week period, I’ve been to Morrisons the vegetable and fruit shelves have looked quite barren. Some other shortages too. I am missing the German bockwurst in the tall glass jar, this disappeared earlier last year. There are similar products but they usually contain chicken. I need port in my sausage, not fucking turkey or chicken.

    So I think it is fair to say the supermarkets struggle a bit at the moment until they get their ducks (and hopefully bockwurst) in a row.

  10. The problem, as with so many things, is entirely governmental in origin. Instead of a bonfire of regulations making trade easier, in a typical British fashion we’ve used Brexit to layer even more layers of bureaucracy on top of what was a bureaucratic process in the first place (although one that we were used to so it didn’t feel too onerous).
    Here’s a fun little thread from a wine importer – https://twitter.com/DanielLambert29/status/1350367078662987777 – discussing the current process.
    Even bearing in mind that the guy has always been very pro-EU and is perhaps making things slightly difficult on himself, he is right about the increased complexity and costs (I speak as someone in the business).
    At one point the government were even suggesting that all wines imported from the EU to the UK would require a VI-1 from – this is a form introduced by the EU mainly as a protectionist measure. After huge pressure from the industry they have, rather than take the opportunity to remove this unecessary requirement from all wine imports and help free up trade, graciously agreed to postpone it until July. At which point many small wine businesses will probably have to shut up shop and the supply of wine from the EU will start to wither.
    Brexit offered this government a huge opportunity to rid itself of protectionist tariffs and measures designed by the EU solely to protect their wine industry and to create a global hub for wine trading that could only benefit the UK. Instead it has not just missed the incredibly open goal, but completely turned around, run up field and booted the ball into the back of its own net.
    And if that’s true for wine – I am quite sure it is true for many other industries as well.

  11. I tried reading that thread, and no doubt he has a legitimate point about excessive Government bureaucracy.
    But by God! What an extended whinge by yet another Remainer. He even promises to flounce to another country taking his family with him. If only.
    I guess all the bigwigs with expense accounts in London will now have to pay a little extra for their Bordeaux. My heart bleeds.
    As for the rest of us, I’m sure we can survive on new world wines.

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