The perils of BrexitJanuary 17, 2021 Tim WorstallEuropean Union33 CommentsMick Hartley has the details. No, go read it all and savour. previousErr, yes Torsten?nextWhut? 33 thoughts on “The perils of Brexit” John Galt January 17, 2021 at 10:41 am Another example of “Despite BRExit”. Feels like we’re winning. Steve January 17, 2021 at 10:49 am But Alex Harris, the head of global policy at the Wellcome Trust, said the EU scheme had been “morally right” The only logical explanation is that there’s illicit cloning factory out there that’s secretly churning out clones of useless fanny-men like Willie Hutton using stem cells from a sheep’s vagina. Steve January 17, 2021 at 10:55 am Btw, for what it’s worth (very little) I’d still dodge that Pfizer dose. Yes, yes, lots of reassurances from the experts but it’s still a brand new class of vaccine, the first of its kind ever approved for use in humans, that does funny genetic stuff to your RNA. To quote Samwise Gamgee, don’t turn me into anything… unnatural (such as a Liberal Democrat). MC January 17, 2021 at 12:14 pm The FT yesterday ran an article by its political correspondent (who has a book out), which was a turgid whine about how Brexit was a reaction to Britain trying to find its way in the world after the loss of Empire and Suez. It never ceases to amaze me that these throbber go on and on about the Empire (and Suez for fuck’s sake) while claiming it is Leavers who are marooned in the past. He seemed to think that after a few years flailing weak and alone in the big wide world, we’ll be desperate to get back in. Never mind that the EU rarely supported Britain’s aims and its foreign policy largely consists of rimming anyone Germany wants to sell cars to. He also put the word sovereignty in scare quotes, so is obviously a cunt. Ljh January 17, 2021 at 12:19 pm UK politicians ‘ eagerness to enrol their subjects in level three drug trials for a vaccine of unproven longterm benefit exceeds that of their EU counterparts. I doubt this is a good thing and doubt it has anything at all to do with Brexit. philip January 17, 2021 at 1:12 pm Steve, ljh These mRNA shots were already on the slipway before SARS-CoV-2 showed up. They were almost solutions looking for a problem. Are you against stem cell treatments and GM foods as well? rhoda klapp January 17, 2021 at 1:26 pm MC, re the FT article, surely the reality is that we joined the EU after the empire was gone in a fit of lost confidence. To link the events of the 50s and 60s to Brexit is just daft. Did anyone on the leave side ever say they harked back to the days of empire other than to wonder whether we’d have been better off without it? Diogenes January 17, 2021 at 1:55 pm As I said before, the FT is now a lifestyle mag without the glossy pictures. Possibly the “What Carp?” of the financial world. It seems to attract intellectually challenged writers too Diogenes January 17, 2021 at 2:00 pm https://twitter.com/FT/status/1350031947561652224?s=19 Stevewise Gamgee January 17, 2021 at 2:15 pm Are you against stem cell treatments and GM foods as well? Yarp. PF January 17, 2021 at 2:17 pm philip Neither said they were “against” them. Both made the perfectly rational comment that they were unproven. Which, at this stage, I believe is true? Purely as it stands, I can’t see myself taking it either, though will remain “open minded”. BiG did a back of a fag packet calc of NNT a while back, and even the prudent assumptions he used (ie, in favour of vaccine) were clear enough wrt any personal assessment (given age, risks, benefits etc). I’m more persuaded – and by the available data and evidence rather than Government rhetoric – that this has far more materially burned through than the Government / SAGE position makes out: Their position was that, of late summer, only 7% had been exposed / had had it, and that 93% were still exposed / vulnerable. I don’t find that position at all credible given the available evidence. John Galt January 17, 2021 at 2:40 pm Are you against stem cell treatments and GM foods as well? The thing I don’t like about GM foods is not the genetic modification per se, but all the intellectual property crap that comes with it. As for stem cell treatments, if we’re talking about treating things like Alzheimers, dementia, ALS (Lou Gehrig’s disease), etc. then I think the risks of problems arising are at least no worse than the disease itself. Using them for more trivial matters, not so much. Remoaners often paint BRExiteers as reactionary forces trying to restore some golden era before we became “The Land of Lost Content”, but the truth is that political chancers handed sovereignty to the EEC and then the EU without having the legitimacy to do so. BRExit was merely the restoration of that which was illegitimately removed. Nothing more. Bloke in North Dorset January 17, 2021 at 2:45 pm Much fun being had at the sailing forum I use as Remainiacs twist and turn in their efforts not to condemn the EU’s performance. “But they’ve ordered enough” is the response when pushed, without noting the lateness of the orders and delivery late 2021. We also get told that UK could have gone its own way if we’d stayed in – yeah, right, pull the other one its got bells on. Does anyone seriously think we wouldn’t have gone with the consensus and still be waiting now? Well, apparently Remaniacs do – the cognitive dissonance is mind boggling. Ljh January 17, 2021 at 3:12 pm Phillip: I remember the last big Corona virus vaccine which was very successful at producing antibodies in ferrets(usual test subject for respiratory drugs and vaccines). Unfortunately when they were exposed to the wild virus they all died of ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement) ie immune system overdrive, rather like severe second stage covid. This time the drug companies have skipped the tests on ferrets. dearieme January 17, 2021 at 3:24 pm The Remainers (or quislings as they have now become) falsely attribute to Leavers a nostalgia for The Empah. But what of their worship of the Bruxelles Empire? Bloke on M4 January 17, 2021 at 3:31 pm MC, Most journos live in a bubble, and still think the world is like when they were kids, when there was still some “harking back to empire”. But how many people alive even remember when Jamaican independence? 1962, you’d have to be close to 70. Truth is, these are the dinosaurs and they don’t even realise. They still think Europe really matters because it did from 70s to 90s. Like new foods, wines in supermarkets, French movies. But it’s stagnated and just another place now. Wines from South Africa and Chile, movies from Korea. It’ll be India movies next based on how fast they’re catching up with CG technology. PJF January 17, 2021 at 3:39 pm Unfortunately when they were exposed to the wild virus they all died of ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement) ie immune system overdrive, rather like severe second stage covid. This time the drug companies have skipped the tests on ferrets. I saw (but stupidly didn’t keep) a link to a similar (same?) study. It seemed the vaccine protected against the particular test Sars-Cov virus but made the subject massively sensitive to the next. That was the same day I heard Hancock saying we’ll all need vaccinations every year. Also the same day I decided I was declining. philip January 17, 2021 at 3:55 pm I take the points about new vaccines. Of course, if the disease is minor (the common cold) it’s logical to conclude that the risks of vaccination outweigh the benefits. But wait, the coronavirus is like some common colds. Does that mean no one should be vaccinated. But lots of people die of the “uncommon cold”. So vaccination is the lesser of two evils. We should have encouraged the youth to mix socially as much as possible last summer. If we had, we would have a large part of the “herd” immune, and could target the delivery more precisely. Even without the jab your granny would be at little risk by now. But we didn’t. Now that covid is endemic (sorry MBE) there will be flare ups even when most of the population is vaccinated. Sometimes the jab doesn’t take, some exclusions are made for eczema, etc. Semi random mixing in the population allows the virus to land occasionally on a cluster of new victims. As with measles, we’ll have a few local outbreaks from time to time. I’ll agree to be vaccinated because it is the only way I can see to persuade the cnuts to unlock the house arrests and permit my children to have a normal life. Is that cowardly or pragmatic? You choose. And they are still cnuts. philip January 17, 2021 at 3:56 pm Testing ferrets? Surely you mean squirrels. Boganboy January 17, 2021 at 4:20 pm BoM4: Well, yes I’m over 70, but I certainly didn’t remember the date of Jamaican independence. Must admit the attitude I always had to the ever-growing numbers of countries gaining independence was that freedom meant ‘You’re on your own, sucker.’ This has always been strongly boosted by the shrieks of the independent and the woke for more and more and more of MY MONEY!!! I think it was you who pointed out that Britain is your home, and the policies of the pollies should be directed towards making it the pleasantest possible place for you, unhampered by pestilent foreigners. I’d have to argue that the UK doesn’t really need any more influence than it needs to achieve that. I can only wish you luck. SadButMadLad January 17, 2021 at 5:01 pm Is the lockdown the equivalent of using anti-bacterial disinfectant on everything thereby killing all the weak bugs leaving the evil strong bugs which then can cause worse problems. So the extreme cleanliness campaign could lead to worse diseases than if everyone got the mild form of the diseases. Yes, some people will still die with the mild form, but the bigger picture is that fewer would. But politicians are short sighted and just go with what the MSM promote to get the click baits. Lockdowns don’t work (compare Florida with New York and different counties in Florida) but just force people into a smaller number of places and forces people to stay together for longer, thereby making it more likely that the virus will be transmitted. Surreptitious Evil January 17, 2021 at 5:39 pm The only independence debacle I can remember is Rhodesia. Actual not UDI. MC January 17, 2021 at 6:04 pm the UK doesn’t really need any more influence than it needs to achieve that Yep. For the average citizen, what’s the point in a nation being a world power, or part of a world power bloc, if it is also a fucking shithole? Charly January 17, 2021 at 6:05 pm ” rimming anyone Germany wants to sell cars to.” Very good, MC. Grikath January 17, 2021 at 6:14 pm @Steve “that does funny genetic stuff to your RNA.” Like, you know… the actual virus ( well, any virus, really..) ? Which plays serious silly-buggers with the production chain of the cell they infect? And kill it along the way? This besides the fact that RNA simply gets used a couple of times, then disassembled for Parts. Like Nature Intended. It cannot get incorporated into DNA, or “change your body”. Wrong backbone. Doesn’t fit. Literally can’t happen with this method. Matter of actual hard-core chemistry. Doesn’t diminish your good right to refuse the vaccine, for any number of reasons. But this argument is …well.. wrong. Jim January 17, 2021 at 7:53 pm “UK politicians ‘ eagerness to enrol their subjects in level three drug trials for a vaccine of unproven longterm benefit exceeds that of their EU counterparts. I doubt this is a good thing and doubt it has anything at all to do with Brexit.” The odd thing is that the eco-freaks consistently use the precautionary principle to demand we act just in case eco-geddon appears on the horizon X years hence, yet the very same people will be quite happy to stick an unproven vaccine into every elderly and vulnerable person going. MC January 17, 2021 at 8:32 pm It cannot get incorporated into DNA, or “change your body”. Rubbish. If I don’t get to be a supervillain I’m not bothering with it. Grikath January 17, 2021 at 9:40 pm @MC. Now that is a good reason… 😉 BniC January 18, 2021 at 6:18 am The Israelis are reporting lower rates of effectiveness, be interesting to see if this is because of over-sensitive PCR testing and false positives or if real world results aren’t as good as trials. Either way I expect we will see a sudden change in testing once vaccines are rolled outt Chernyy_Drakon January 18, 2021 at 6:36 am The odd thing is that the eco-freaks consistently use the precautionary principle to demand we act just in case eco-geddon appears on the horizon X years hence, yet the very same people will be quite happy to stick an unproven vaccine into every elderly and vulnerable person going. That would appear odd, if you take their motivations at face value. Makes more sense if you consider them to be nasty little authoritarian shits who just want power over other people. Mr Ecks January 18, 2021 at 9:01 am Grikith–The stuff is improperly tested and not even proven to be effective never mind safe. And becoming a permanent part of your DNA etc may not be the issue. The Luftwaffe dropped shitloads of bombs without having to land and set up travellers camps. While you MIGHT be able to rule out some possibilities your knowledge is far from complete. So YOU take it. Covid IS flu so lets stop all the cowardly “its here forever” bollocks. john77 January 18, 2021 at 11:33 am I shall take it, I reckon the Oxford team might know a bit more than Mr Ecks. e.g. that it doesn’t involve RNA … Mr Ecks January 18, 2021 at 11:49 am Maybe the Oxford one doesn’t–though I have seen at least one report saying it did. Poss a useless reporter then. Still not taking untested vax over a bad winter flu. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.