Kitchen, heat

Footage has emerged of England’s chief medical officer, Prof Chris Whitty, apparently being subjected to verbal abuse in the street, sparking condemnation.

The video, which is undated and appears to have been uploaded after it was taken on a London street, was posted on Twitter by the Conservative MP Matt Vickers, who encouraged others to share it.

“This is appalling, I really can’t believe this footage. Chris Whitty is doing all he can to help guide us through this crisis and should never be subjected to this abuse,” said the MP for Stockton South, who suggested the person who abused the UK government’s chief medical adviser should be made to volunteer on a Covid-19 ward.

Over in the remnant-European Union it is, often enough, a criminal offence to abuse or insult a public servant or official.

We don’t do that. On the basis that anyone does have the freedom to insult anyone they like. The things that are illegal are the follow ons – the likely to cause a breach of the peace, incitement to violence and so on.

Perhaps Vickers would like to tell us which of those laws has been broken here so as to justify punishment?

17 thoughts on “Kitchen, heat”

  1. If you want to play scientist politician and tell the public what they can and can’t do , expect to be put on the list for lamp post suspension duty……..

  2. from what i can see he was called a Liar “abot da Covid”. So if i’ve got my translation right that’s potentially slander. If the little boy is making money off Tik Tok. I’d say Chris’s got a remedy and a means to discourage others.

  3. should be made to volunteer

    That tells one everything one needs to know about the calibre of today’s Tory MP: illogical,authoritarian and coercive.

  4. Whitty is lying vax-investing scum.

    Verbal abuse is a very inadequate punishment for the shite he has assisted the Johnson gang to get away with. He would need to be included in the MPs boxing booth as a minimum.

  5. So Much For Subtlety

    I would have a lot more to say than calling him a liar.

    I notice that the recent British law that got criticised for encouraging children to spy on their parents also allows a whole range of public servants to break the law in pursuit of whatever ends of the government thinks necessary, including public health.

    http://politicalhat.com/2020/12/03/breakin-the-law/

    The Covert Human Intelligence Sources (CHIS) Bill was introduced to Parliament by the Home Secretary Priti Patel, with the much-publicized intention of permitting undercover operatives to break the law.

    “However, the bill is far more extensive in terms of who it extends such provision to, with a wide variety of governmental departments listed: ‘Any police force; The National Crime Agency; The Serious Fraud Office; Any of the intelligence services; Any of Her Majesty’s forces; Revenue and Customs; Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs; The Department of Health and Social Care; The Home Office; The Ministry of Justice; The Competition and Markets Authority; The Environment Agency; The Financial Conduct Authority; The Food Standards Agency; The Gambling Commission.’

    “The bill proposes that criminal activity would thus be permitted for members of all these bodies. The summary of the document states that it is to: ‘make provision for, and in connection with, the authorisation of criminal conduct in the course of, or otherwise in connection with, the conduct of covert human intelligence sources.’

    “The CHIS bill is deliberately vague about what crimes are to be permitted, stating that criminal conduct is necessary if it is ‘in the interests of national security; for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime or of preventing disorder; or in the interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom.’”

  6. from what i can see he was called a Liar “abot da Covid”. So if i’ve got my translation right that’s potentially slander. If the little boy is making money off Tik Tok. I’d say Chris’s got a remedy and a means to discourage others.

    Given that last autumn, Whitty and Vallence stood up and presented predictions that were already demonstrably false, calling this charlatan a liar is pretty mild, frankly. The truth is a defence in libel/slander allegations.

  7. should be made to volunteer

    That tells one everything one needs to know about the calibre of today’s Tory MP: illogical,authoritarian and coercive.

    I’ve been on the receiving end of this one for daring to point out flaws in the government response. It’s a fairly standard appeal to emotion. That’s all they have, emotional incontinence. Facts, evidence, reason and logic are lost on the hard of thinking.

  8. Sounds like a simple statement of fact to me. That facts are considered abuse, especially by useless Tory backbench fuckwits, is no surprise at all.

  9. Bloke in China (Germany province)

    Here it’s a criminal offence to insult or abuse anyone, but the state will usually not take up a prosecution – you have to DIY. A major exception, of course, is extended to public officials, making it a standard police fall-back prosecution of anyone who hasn’t done anything (and word of person A against word of person B tends to go the way of person A when person A is a copper). Because police are such thin-skinned individuals who need special protection from effing and blinding.

  10. “The truth is a defence in libel/slander allegations.” – yep, what i meant to suggest is that he has a potential remedy available.

  11. The next idiot that calls on me to go and work on a Covid ward is going to get a punch in the gob.

    Try spending an entire night duty shift with a retired Petty Officer with stomach cancer holding the sick bucket for him while he chucks his guts up (literally) in his final hours. The PO passed away in the wee hours of the morning with only myself and the duty sister at his bedside. He had no family at all, the navy was his life and his wife had passed away some years before. Or sitting with a retired army Brigadier and his wife while the Brig breathes his last, or spending an entire night shift with a retired Navy Lieutenant with bowel cancer and having to change him every time he has shits himself. Or resuscitating a young army Corporal on a 4 hour hour mercy flight after he had been involved in a hit and run outside the barracks.

    A covid ward would be an absolute doddle. The only medical experience the fuckwits advocating this is applying a band-aid to a scraped knee.

  12. Trump and Pence coordinated the entire COVID response effort in the U.S., which led to two vaccines lightyears ahead of schedule. 90% of the media here didn’t even air the press conferences. Heat, kitchen, indeed.

  13. Great responses (as always) from SMFS and Longrider

    I’d characterise Whitty as the Albert Speer of the Current administration. At least he seems to suggest that there may have to be a point at which a balance is struck between lockdown and a return to normality which is unlike most of the rest of SAGE. He’s also got a distinctive appearance which is probably why he incurred the wrath of the Tiktok subscriber.

    The fact remains, even if he’s less complicit than some others (Ferguson, Vallance) in the greatest criminal act ever perpetrated by a government in the British Isles against its people, the reality is he is still complicit in it, and for that reason deserves every calumny which the unfortunate innocents subjected to a form of modified house arrest for no crime whatsoever is visited on him.

    As for the moronic MP for Stockton South, it’s a standard comment you hear from lockdown fanatics – ‘Go Volunteer’ – to which my riposte is: ‘I’d love to – but unfortunately hospitals don’t allow any guests in whatsoever. Perhaps you’d like to volunteer to explain to children who have suffered abuse or even serious assault during lockdown why their suffering was, in your humble opinion, justified, or to a parent of a disabled child unable to access their school, why their child is being sacrificed on the altar of a disease from which less than 10 children have died’ – no response normally beyond insults. That’s all they have left.

  14. We’ve just had the worst year for age-related mortality since 2008 apparently.

    I quite like Whitty though. His Gresham lecture from 3 years ago has some detail on how epidemic ends, well go away at least. They never really end until they are eliminated but we have picked up our previous lives and carried on long before that.

  15. “We’ve just had the worst year for age-related mortality since 2008 apparently.”

    True. In the UK, the age-adjusted mortality rate in 2008 (and every year back to 1945) was higher than in 2020, and the UK average age of death from covid (82 years) is higher than the average age of death (81 years).

    Death, however, is not the only relevant covid metric. Covid makes many more people seriously ill than influenza and they are hospitalised for longer. 62% of those in hospital with covid are under 60. Most (now) will recover, but many will find that they will not recover fully for up to a year. 

  16. Bloke in North Dorset

    “ UK average age of death from covid (82 years) is higher than the average age of death (81 years).”

    IIRC, the median (average?) age of death for someone who reached 82 is 89 pre-Covid. I assume they also had comorbidities.

    For a 90-year-old it’s 95.

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