Orange Man Bad – He Might Win!

It’s a funny old fight for democracy, isn’t it? We must not allow someone to run in an election because they might win:

Donald Trump could run for president in 2024 and unleash a violent mob on the US Capitol once more unless he is convicted, Democrat prosecutors at his impeachment trial claimed.

Prosecutors said Mr Trump had shown “no remorse” for inciting a mob to attack the seat of US democracy on Jan 6 and would “do it again” if given the chance.

They said it could be “only just the beginning” of political violence in America and the “threat was not over”. His supporters had been following the “orders of their commander-in-chief,” they said.

On the third day of the trial Jamie Raskin, the lead prosecutor, said: “Is there any political leader in this room who believes that if he is ever allowed to get back in the Oval Office, Donald Trump would stop inciting violence?

Of course, he could only win if a plurality of the voters actually voted for him, which is why he must be banned from running, to save democracy.

It’s all rather Soviet really, anyone can run, course they can, but only if they already support The Party. After all, no one rational would not support The Party…..

32 thoughts on “Orange Man Bad – He Might Win!”

  1. More than that, it’s a strange argument that Trump’s ability to ‘incite violence’ is tied to occupancy of the Oval Office. Or that violence would be prevented by banning peaceful routes to power….

  2. Honestly, I can’t understand this. Have these people lost their collective minds? Is it mass hysteria?

    This is banana republic stuff. If they persecute Trump, they’re going to find their next president is Pinochet.

  3. Farage has a point when he says that the core Republican voter likes Trump and if the Republican piss these people off…

  4. I don’t think that Trump is looking to stand in 2024 – he’ll be too old. After Biden the electorate might be looking for someone younger.

    I see that the impeachment prosecution repeated the fine people hoax, I hope Trump takes this chance to show the world that it’s a lie – thought maybe the media just won’t show the defence anyway..

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    The benefit of the impeachment is that it’s now set a precedent. Clinton should have been impeached for his last day pardons but wasn’t in part because Reps thought it unconstitutional.

    Yet again the left ignores or doesn’t care that this will come back to bite them.

  6. They said it could be “only just the beginning” of political violence in America and the “threat was not over”.

    Reminder that the United States was subjected to an entire summer of racist political terrorism – including widespread rioting, arson, looting and murders – that was fully enabled and supported by the Democratic Party, the MSM, trillion dollar woke corporations, and the Pentagon, and the threat is definitely not over because Antifa/BLM are Establishment-sponsored brownshirts and the USA is a shitty banana republic.

  7. My understanding from Instapundit is:
    1. Trump did nothing impeachable.
    2. You can’t impeach somebody not in office.
    3. The banning from future office only applies to appointed, not elected, officials.

    Other than that, it’s perfectly cromulent.

  8. “If they persecute Trump, they’re going to find their next president is Pinochet.”

    If a politically motivated impeachment of an ex-President goes ahead, who is next?

  9. Listening to Julia H-B on talkradio, getting fed up with that cow and her TDS. I’m fucking pumped up now to meet the day!

  10. This is simply a show trial: it’s a warning from the Establishment to American patriots that no challenge to their power will be tolerated. They got a nasty shock in 2016 with Trump’s election and they’re determined that it can never happen again.

  11. If a politically motivated impeachment of an ex-President goes ahead, who is next?

    The Establishment assumes this will never be used against the Establishment, because they successfully managed to discover mysterious boxes full of magic votes in key strategic locations until DRUMF lost. They’re now looking to formalise vote fraud as a federal legal requirement and anybody who disagrees is – wait for it – RACIST.

    From a historical pov, casually raising the stakes of losing political office is obviously a foolish mistake. I’m not sure there’s a rational reason to persecute Trump, they’d be much wiser to ignore him now that’s he’s out of office and banned from the internet. But there’s plenty of irrational reasons, and that tends to be how degenerate elites trapped inside their own fart bubble make decisions.

  12. “Prosecutors said Mr Trump had shown “no remorse” for inciting a mob…”

    “Your Honour, not only does the defendant claim he didn’t do it, he has also failed to say he’s sorry for doing it.”

    At least I think that’s what they’re saying. I can’t see any logical holes there.

  13. BiND

    Yet again the left ignores or doesn’t care that this will come back to bite them.

    Incorrect.
    The left is so arrogant that they think there is no way this can ever possibly come back to bite them.

  14. @FrankH

    There’s nothing new in this Kafkaesque conundrum. Anyone who has been tried, convicted and imprisoned for a crime they didn’t commit faces exactly the same issue. You say you didn’t do it, but you can’t have parole until you show contrition for doing it.

  15. ‘From a historical pov, casually raising the stakes of losing political office is obviously a foolish mistake’

    Indeed Steve. I’m thinking of Caesar crossing the Rubicon because they were going to screw him as soon as he lost his army.

    But if you make the penalty for losing death, or even just a long jail sentence; well that’s how banana republics banana-ise. Though I don’t suppose you can grow bananas in North Korea.

  16. @Tom – yes, these are Heinlein’s “crazy years”. At best, the period around 2020 will be yet another outbreak for the history books, like Tulip Mania or the South Sea Bubble. At worst… have you considered the fact that an increasing and very large proportion of all human knowledge is stored only on electronic devices? Which can be taken out by a single, or, OK, maybe several EMPs? Is it perhaps time to think of storing the most important elements of science and culture on some more or less indestructible medium, and hide it away, until after the “crazy years”?

  17. Heinlein’s Crazy Years is so precient, just a few decades off. University administrators being fired for insisting incoming students have Maths and English ability. Language use controlled and constrained. Literacy, family, self support, all taught as being obsolete, and disagreement resulting in public approbrium. Rioters slapped on the wrist instead of being imprisoned. Millions of women choosing to living off the state as single mothers.

    Where is Nehemiah Scudder?

  18. Boganboy – Yes, but Trump’s problem is that he’s not Caesar, he’s Tiberius Gracchus. TPTB of second century Rome had enriched themselves through foreign wars that simultaneously ruined the lower classes who had to leave behind their own small farms to fight:

    “when Tiberius on his way to Numantia passed through Etruria and found the country almost depopulated and its husbandmen and shepherds imported barbarian slaves, he first conceived the policy which was to be the source of countless ills to himself and to his brother.”

    Cue Tiberius Gracchus being elected tribune of the people to Make Rome Great Again redistribute some of the conquered territory held by the state to poorer Roman citizens.

    The Senate decided to deal with this populist threat by first stonewalling Gracchus via procedural fuckery, then promising to put him on trial when his term of office ended, then simply murdering him during a riot in the Capitol.

  19. Thing I don’t understand is, rigged election + military occupying the capital + persecution of political rivals = “coup” in any other part of the world.

    “Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.”

  20. Donald Trump could run for president in 2024 and unleash a violent mob on the US Capitol once more unless he is convicted

    Lol, no.

    They said it could be “only just the beginning” of political violence in America

    Lol, no.

    The basis of totalitarianism is being able to state absurd lies and force others to believe them, to humiliate them by making them repeat those lies.

    Banana republic indeed. The US governing, media and academic elite are simply insane, I see no ways out which aren’t conflict or one-party rule. There are no checks and balances.

  21. God help us all if we were tried for what we MIGHT do. I think the man deserves due process, and this is not it.

  22. I think the man deserves due process, and this is not it.

    This pointless senate trial is the due process for this “impeachment” shitfuckery. Trump is going to be acquitted, because there aren’t enough Republicans to reach the necessary two-thirds majority for conviction.

    The Dems know the trial is lost, so unless they’re just caught up in the leviathan of their own insane stupidity (entirely possible), they’re seeing it as a route to something else.

  23. PJF, I guess the goal it to demonise every Trump supporter and most of the Republicans, with the help from the MSM, Trump may be acquitted but his legacy will be made poisonous.

  24. I guess the goal it to demonise every Trump supporter and most of the Republicans, with the help from the MSM, Trump may be acquitted but his legacy will be made poisonous.

    That may be the goal, Jussi, but I don’t think it will be the result.

  25. jgh : “Where is Nehemiah Scudder?”

    I don’t think the US is in danger of something like that particular worthy..

    The sociopolitical background(s) described in Friday, however….

  26. PJF, well so far everything seems to have slipped through the conservative fingers in this world. I fear all this crap will drag on for years if not decades and no end game in sight.

  27. I can’t remember which politician said that he welcomes the whole impeachment as it means 2 months of them not passing legislation or otherwise meddling

  28. Well, there is no bigger Heinlein fan on this thread than myself. Nonetheless, when our host writes, “Of course, he could only win if a plurality of the voters actually voted for him, which is why he must be banned from running, to save democracy,” he overlooks the fact that Big Orange Man almost bullied his way into a second term despite not winning anything close to a plurality of votes.

  29. In what way can it be a fair trial when the jurors are also the victims of the alleged crime and the judge has already declared he believes the defendant is guilty?

    The fact the Supreme Court justices declined to chair the trial shows their opinion on the whole affair and not wanting to be involved

  30. @Thomas Fuller
    True, he didn’t come close to a plurality, but that is not the way the Republic works. He missed winning by about 50,000 votes scattered across half a dozen states. Well within the margin of fraud.

  31. Steve: I must admit Tiberius Gracchus is a better example than Caesar.

    I’m just trying to think when the UK de-banana-ised. The last impeachment conviction that comes to mind is Warren Hastings. He succeeded in holding on to India when the establishment got Britain involved in a global war that lost them the American colonies. It’s no wonder TPTB were so totally pissed off that they were determined to screw him.

    But when, during the next Frog war, Richard Wellesley decided to shoot first, and seized Mysore and central India, the impeachment attempt failed.

    Of course his brother Arthur got into Parliament via a rotten borough and fought the good fight to get him off. Perhaps a sign that political fashions were changing towards Victorian couthness?

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