The problem with this is?

OK, so there is more than a little bit of Nazism in picking out diddicoys for jail sentences but like everything else a policy does have to be judged on its merits, not who has imposed the same policy before. Hitler was kind to dogs for example, being kind to dogs does not make one Hitler.

So, should we be applauding the fact that we’ve now got an actually conservative government?

18 thoughts on “The problem with this is?”

  1. But if you enter illegally, then far from being billed £1700 for the imprisonment, you get handed £30/week and are free to go.

    Incentives have outcomes.

  2. I suspect that if Tim was actually a member of Britain’s vibrant traveller community he could be organising regular shuttle runs between Portugal & the UK & the government would appoint a special team to aid & finance him.

  3. I would be all in favour of penal levelling up. For example Life = Life for murder. But Hancock’s proposal is bad populism. Having encouraged COVID panic outrage (as in people not wearing masks getting bullied without regard to whether they are exempt), Hancock now encourages more of the “You are trying to kill me” irrationality by proposing exemplary punishment for fibbing. If fibbing were that bad, the whole Cabinet would be doing time.

  4. “So, should we be applauding the fact that we’ve now got an actually conservative government?”

    Our government is NOT comprised of politicians. It is comprised of bureaucrats. The politicians are simply the salesmen.

    Bureaucrats are always small ‘c’ conservative. And very authoritarian.

    In other news, flu can be as deadly as Covid – certainly within the same ball-park. Are we going to imprison people who go into work with flu?

  5. The contention that we have a conservative government is just wrong. Boris is about as Marxist as he could be without actually taking up residence in Highgate Cemetary!
    The amusing bit about this particular “law” is that a cabinet minister has admitted it will never actually be used! What do we pay them for doing?

  6. @alastair harris
    admitted claimed

    Pace the EU:

    Step 1: “This law is not under consideration”
    Step 2: “This law is one of a number of options being considered but that this option will never be chosen”
    Step 3: The law is passed but “nobody will ever be expected to follow it”
    Step 4: “You must obey the law”

    If a law was never going to be used it would not be created. It’s there to make sure that everyone has broken a law at some point so that anybody can be threatened into submission. Kinda the principal premise of Atlas Shrugged.

  7. The amusing bit about this particular “law” is that a cabinet minister has admitted it will never actually be used!

    Maybe not for the stated purpose, but you can bet somewhere down the line it’ll be used to get someone the government of the day doesn’t approve of.

  8. Bloke in North Dorset


    Meanwhile, we might not even be allowed a vacation in the UK this year

    Perhaps “permitted” may be a better term given they way they could be sneaking vaccine passports in on the back of other countries saying they may demand them for holiday makers, and Hancock’s description of the lockdown legislation to the Cabinet:

    Three days after that, the first set of emergency lockdown regulations arrived. These were undoubtedly the most severe restrictions on liberty imposed in peacetime, and Health Secretary Matt Hancock reportedly described them as “Napoleonic”. “In lockdown”, he told the Cabinet, in a reversal of the usual principle of English law that whatever is not explicitly prohibited is permitted: “people would be forbidden from doing anything unless the legislation said, in terms, that they could”.

    It is extraordinary that restrictions which a judge described as “possibly the most restrictive regime on the public life of persons and businesses ever”, could be made without prior Parliamentary scrutiny. But it took just 11 pages of law and one signature for Matt Hancock to impose the 26 March lockdown, which came into effect the moment he put down the pen.

  9. According to Twitters Francis Hoar barrister and anti-LD activist this will be an attempt to give the max penalty in law via the Fraud by False Representation Act–as even Commissar HandCOCK cannot yet just decree crimes and sentences.

    Presumably it will be for agreeing to pay to be locked up in an upmarket concentration camp for 10 days and then ducking out.

    Except that even for multi-million pound frauds the MAX sentence in under these laws has NEVER been given to anybody.

    Scummy as this country now is–no Beak is going to hand out sentences such as NoCock demands. Nor would they stand on appeal. Esp as several million mugs have already self-isolated at home without paying for the privilege (save by loss of income possibly). If that was good enough for them no reason for these travel capers save to make travel unaffordable for ord folk.

    And because the Johnson gang realise that even the mugs are seeing through the Black Death 2 bullshit and ever worse terror tactics are all Blojob and co have left.

  10. Interested to know how many of the 30,000 lorry drivers that come to the UK each week will be staying in stalag hotels for 10 days before returning.

  11. While not going so far as the US media/deep state who swear events never happened and de-platform anyone saying otherwise (or trying to post evidence contrary to the narrative) it still seems that the Government, for once largely supported by the media, is trying to build a “tough on incoming passengers” image while hoping we forget the months they sat on their hands at a time when it might actually have been important.

  12. On the subject of legislation I see that of the nearly 200 fines issued by constabulary for illegal assembly a grand total of 5 have been paid to date.

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