By 2023, petrol stations in the UK above a certain size should be
required to have at least three rapid chargepoints, which would be
financed in-part by petroleum companies which ultimately own
the trade-marks and business models of all petrol stations. Setting a
date of 2023 would provide petrol stations with ample time to lay the
necessary cabling and complete the installation of a rapid chargepoint.
Chargepoints should be rapid so that they are able to deliver a quick
charge and keep time spent recharging to a minimum.
With a cost of between £20-40,000 per rapid chargepoint,
petroleum companies – who ultimately own the trade-marks and
business models of all petrol stations – can and should be able to
make a reasonable contribution to their installation, in an effort to
decarbonise passenger vehicle transport and support BEV uptake.
Petroleum companies should be required to fund the installation of
the chargepoints themselves in each relevant petrol station, whilst
the UK Government could pay for the necessary grid connections
through the existing Rapid Charging Fund, described in detail in
Chapter Four

Why? Why should the people who don’t own the station have to install something that doesn’t sell their product?

34 thoughts on “Weird”

  1. Petroleum companies own the trademarks of Tesco filling stations? He’s full of horsesh!t as usual.

    Oh it’s not Murphy. Just as economically illiterate though.

  2. Bloke in North Dorset

    Most of these petrol stations will be on the equivalent of a domestic supply so will need new cables etc which will require digging up roads.

    Do these dolts know how long it takes to get a licence to dig up roads? This isn’t at the gift of the government, its planning law and it has to be coordinated with every other service that has or want to put infrastructure under the road.

    Then all those petrol stations will install them at roughly the same time because there’ll be little time left, so lack of skills, lack of equipment, massive disruption caused by road closures, loss of business as they close the petrol station for the installation.

    Have they any idea how long it will take to get a policy like that through Parliament and then the inevitable judicial reviews?

    The real problem, though, is that Boris is likely to fall for it.

  3. Yes.
    Let’s put high amp electrical connections near the area where we transfer volatile, highly flammable liquids.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  4. It all just really doesn’t work. People sat on a car forecourt for 30 minutes charging up. It makes more sense to have charging points where people go and do things, like supermarkets. Park up, go shopping for half an hour while it’s charging, and done.

    And for many people, electric just isn’t practical. People even say that it suits second cars, but you tell my wife she needs to add on an hour to go and see her sister, even though it’s only a handful of times a year, she won’t do it. Electric cars are mostly like that vegan thing, where Tesla owners can’t help telling you that they own a fucking Tesla.

  5. Many of the filling stations now make more money from the attached shop: these were originally granted exemptions from silly laws because they were primarily filling stations (open late, on Sundays, etc).
    The restrictions have gone, and so the need to sell petrol (at break even at best) is no longer needed to justify the site’s trading licence.
    Hence the petrol sale is now just draw.
    Strong arm the site owners into filling the car bays with chargers, so each visitor locks a bay for 30 minutes: I’d think they’d refuse, and if required, remove the petrol too. Too much limit on visitors, if all the bays are always full.

    NB a lot of filing stations are on main roads, not surrounded by high density power griid: sol delicvering MW feeds to them is gonna be a major task. New lines across fields etc. Who is going to pay? Not the filling station. The farmer whose land is requisitioned for the power line? Nope.

    It isn’t going to happen.

  6. Imagine the frustration of getting to the petrol station and finding there is a long queue of cars each needing 30 minutes charging on one of the 3 charging points.

    Electric cars for all those millions of people without drives to charge them on will only become practical when the cars become autonomous so can drive themselves to a nearby charging centre.

  7. Leccy car bullshit is halfway house to plebs like us having no cars at all.

    Best to look at whatever they come up with in that light.

  8. Where is all the extra electricity going to come from? Presumably we just need a few thousand more windmills.

  9. Why? Why should the people who don’t own the station have to install something that doesn’t sell their product?

    How can you make them?

  10. The Greenies say they want us all to drive electric vehicles with power from renewable sources to save us from the climate catastrophe.The better informed among them know that there will never be enough renewable energy available for this and all their other demands. They are lying to us in a cynical attempt to take away our mobility. For them it’s about control, not environmentalism

    The less informed and uninformed Greenies (the majority) have swallowed the lie, and uncritically believe the impossible. They imagine a land of milk and honey with baby deer gambolling through the flower meadows as a benevolent government provides for all.

  11. Power station companies should provide rapid charge facilities at substations— and be forced to sell pasties, fags and coke too.

  12. ‘ Setting a date of 2023 would provide petrol stations with ample time to lay the
    necessary cabling and complete the installation of a rapid chargepoint.’

    Ignorance. ‘Necessary cabling’… that would be rewiring and extending the entire grid, trunk and local.

    And these fools still do not understand, battery vehicles do not have the range to make them viable alternative to ICE vehicles.

  13. 2023? Do they really think that 2 years is ‘ample time to lay the
    necessary cabling and complete the installation of a rapid charge point.’???

    You can tell these people have never done any physical labour in their lives, can’t you?

    Also, regarding the business model of petrol stations, I remember hearing once that the retailer’s profit on fuel was less than 5p in the £, it’s not exactly a high margin business.

  14. For a single petrol station it might (just, with a very strong following wind) be possible to get these charging points installed in a couple of years. But for all of the 8,000+ in the UK? Are they out of their tiny minds? (Yes, of course they are.)

    If/when it ever comes to pass, there’d need to be a serious beefing up of the grid to support these thousands of new MW-sized connections.

  15. The Greenies say they want us all to drive electric vehicles with power from renewable sources to save us from the climate catastrophe.

    I’ve yet to have a greenie explain to me how “green” power companies can guarantee that the electrons I receive via the National Grid originate from a renewable source. Pose that question to an environmentalist and the best answer you get incoherent mumbling.

  16. This is the kind of policy you expect from the woman who moves in with and has a baby by a man with a solid track record of infidelity and philandering – in other words that her convictions and resolute sense of purpose can overturn the natural order of things.

  17. Henry, something I have posted before, so apologies:
    I am with Scottish Power who advertise ‘100% Green Electricity to your home’. This is similar to the ‘100% Pure Fresh Spring Water to your tap’ deal I get from my water supplier, ‘ConAMug Water PLC’.
    They pour 100% Pure Fresh Spring Water into a reservoir (full of all the other water obvs) but I get 100% Pure Fresh Spring Water out of my tap!!
    It’s more expensive, but I feel proud I am doing my bit for the planet.

  18. Just because it won’t work doesn’t mean it won’t be tried. These people are emboldened now, they’ve kept virtually the whole developed world under house arrest for several months, have convinced most of the same people to gets themselves injected with an experimental biological agent (actually they’re now trying to get you to have two, what can possibly go wrong) all for the sake of a seasonal respiratory virus with greater than 99% survivability. The mere laws of physics are no barrier to them, and as for man made laws they can just usurp those whenever they choose. We’re going to have to shoot them I think.

  19. BiND gets the winners medal for coming first in the race to point out that it can’t be done by 2023.
    Also Chernyy_Derakon +1
    Lots of other valid points as well

  20. Want to see queues? Go to Canary Wharf Canada Square car park level -2 and see people sitting in Tesla cars queuing to charge up. Four last Sunday at 5pm for four chargers which were all occupied. No what I find funny is the idea that those who are charging will come back promptly. It’s a large shopping centre. They could be gone for an hour, two hours… and then get a meal at a restaurant….

    Putting chargers next to shopping centres will massively restrict usage of those chargers.

  21. My thoughts, at the moment is these plans can’t possibly work. So there’s a great deal of money to be made when it doesn’t.

  22. “A lot of filing stations are on main roads, not surrounded by high density power griid: sol delicvering MW feeds to them is gonna be a major task. New lines across fields etc. Who is going to pay? Not the filling station.”

    Actually it would be the filling station. If you go to the electric company and demand a bigger supply than you already have they’ll go away and think for a few months, then supply you with a number that would easily match the national debt of many small countries. And once you have this number, you can take it or leave it. You can’t go elsewhere, they have a complete and unchallengeable monopoly. If you leave it you can guarantee that when you ask again in a few years time (having forgotten how insane the last quote was) it’ll be about 3 times larger.

  23. Bright Blue is a bullshit think tank run by and for the wettest New Labour-impersonating Tory cunts. Fascist Bunter’s useless sister is on the board, along with a bunch of worthless hacks, pseudo-academics and oxygen-thieving poshos, all of whom are totally indistinguishable from the wankers we had to suffer under Blair.

    These fuckers only put forward ideas the government already has, so no matter how stupid and ignorant and careless their bullshit is, there is a very good chance of it becoming policy.

  24. A so called “fast charger”, as the sensible posters here realise of course, is just a bit of hardware that is useless without the electrical generating capacity being available, which it isn’t and there appear to be no plans to even attempt to provide. A normal garage is useless without tankers to deliver fuel every week or whatever the particular garage requires. The latter is screamingly obvious, the former seems to elicit denial of an almost rejoiniac magnitude.

    Milk floats. A few percent of sales last year? Can’t imagine why

    I still can’t see anything proposed that comes even remotely close to beginning to make me consider that milk floats aren’t just a massive mis-selling scandal to come. Given those who are buying the stupid things this will be a joy to behold.

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