Well, yes, logically so

Paedophile pop star Gary Glitter has reportedly had a coronavirus jab before his victims

The old are getting their jabs before the young and rather the reason he’s in prison is that they were markedly younger than he was……

12 thoughts on “Well, yes, logically so”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    The Left turns out to be pretty bad at vaccinating people. As they are at most things. Even the dead wood media have noticed. The Right wing countries (and states in the US) have been much better at vaccinations than the Left wing ones.

    One of the reasons for this is that the Right Wing ones tend to vaccinate people. The Left wing ones draw up long lists of more important people to get vaccinated first – no White people for instance. It is confusing and when there are not enough gender fluid Welsh Muslims around, some go to waste.

    This is where I straddle both camps. On the one hand, I would happily see Glitter die and I think it is unfair that criminals get anything but a bullet before law abiding people. But it would probably make a wasteful and complex system so screw it (as Glitter himself probably said) and just stick it in anyone of the right age (as Glitter should have said)

  2. It’s a bit more than an administrative convenience.
    As jailor/captor, the State assumes responsibility for the care and health of the inmate.

    As soon as you start regarding the inmate as inferior, untermenshen, deserving only of minimal care…..

    Well, there was rather a large scale trial of that not that long ago, wasn’t there?

    Good health care for prisoners may sting, but the alternative bites.

  3. Bloke in China (Germany Province)

    I thought most of his victims were in Vietnam or somewhere out that way. Which still probably means they haven’t (and never will be) vaccinated.

  4. ‘As jailor/captor, the State assumes responsibility for the care and health of the inmate’

    Indeed and this is one of the issues with (actual) life imprisonment, do you give say, an elderly murderer chemo? If not, it’s the death penalty by other means.

  5. “the State assumes responsibility for the care and health of the inmate”: yup.

    Plus, of course, you know that some percentage – presumably tiny – didn’t do it.

  6. Early on in states like New York and California, they were releasing a number of nonviolent criminals from prisons, because there was an increased risk of COVID in these institutions.

    They were also apprehending and imprisoning anyone who was not wearing a mask or social distancing.

    Let that sink in. They were releasing already-convicted people from an unsafe environment, and placing average citizens in that same unsafe environment for behavior less extreme than a misdemeanor.

    Did this idiocy take place in the UK as well?

  7. I think the virtue signalling around vaccines in some places is that the focus on minority groups means they can hide the lack of vaccines for general/mass vaccination, also means they can say we have done all X which sounds better than 0.0x% of the population.

  8. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim the Coder February 9, 2021 at 10:32 am – “As jailor/captor, the State assumes responsibility for the care and health of the inmate. As soon as you start regarding the inmate as inferior, untermenshen, deserving only of minimal care…..”

    You might start treating them like prisoners? Seriously – how far are you willing to take this argument? Are you saying that all prisoners deserve accommodation at least as good as the Ritz? Food better than one Michelin star? What? We owe them something but not everything. It is supposed to be, you know, punishment.

    “Well, there was rather a large scale trial of that not that long ago, wasn’t there?”

    Well no there wasn’t. Not for criminals.

    “Good health care for prisoners may sting, but the alternative bites.”

    Good is such an interesting term. I would prefer adequate. As the joke goes, a priest is walking down the road and see a man sleeping rough and says to him “My poor man, what happened? Was it drink? Was it drugs? How did you end up here?”

    And the bum says, “Well it was like this. I was living in a luxurious serviced apartment. I never had to cook. I had my clothes cleaned and pressed for me. Every day I could go to a fully equipped gym in the building. I had a big screen TV and an up to date Playstation. It was great”

    “So what happened?”

    “Then Covid came along and I got paroled”

  9. @SMFS
    Whoa! No need to treat my comment as a personal affront. I was merely pointing out the legal and moral duty upon the captor. As another commenter observed, if you deliberately withold a life-saving treatment, are you not inflicting death by pain & illness?

    I certainly don’t argue for feather-bedding: but the health care duty is for there to be no significant difference from the case if not imprisoned.
    Likewise health and safety, freedom from violence from other inmates. Perfection not achievable, but the obligation remains.

    Food needs to be adequate, safe and nutritional. No need for it to be luxurious. As you say: punishment.

    And re. the recent unpleasantness: yes, they were all criminals. Every one. Not according to laws that you or I would approve/support/respect, but give the Germans credit: they are very methodical. They made sure they had laws in place so that everything they did was legal.
    And other people’s attempts to argue afterwards that those laws were invalid, and not acceptable to other jurisdictions….a fine motive to be sure, but what a mess it has led to.

    Indeed, were we to discriminate against prisoners and deny basic medical treatment, such as vaccines for a pandemic disease, we are not only guilty of the same mistreatment of the specific target, we are mistreating everyone in the same infection area: staff & visitors included.

    Your closing joke was good as in funny rather than good as in adequate! 🙂

  10. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim the Coder February 10, 2021 at 10:56 am – “Whoa! No need to treat my comment as a personal affront.”

    I don’t know. I think when people smear you as a Nazi you might have a right to be a little affronted. Not that I thought I was.

    “I was merely pointing out the legal and moral duty upon the captor.”

    Which no one denies. The question is where does it end and how far it should go. We do lock them up after all.

    “As another commenter observed, if you deliberately withold a life-saving treatment, are you not inflicting death by pain & illness?”

    Ask NICE. We withhold life saving treatment all the time. Medical care, like much else, needs to be rationed. How do you do it? How far are you going to take this argument – if I do not give all my money to charity, little poppets in the Third World will die of easily preventable diseases. Am I killing children in Niger as we speak?

    All I said was that prisoners should not be a priority.

    “I certainly don’t argue for feather-bedding: but the health care duty is for there to be no significant difference from the case if not imprisoned.”

    Why?

    “They made sure they had laws in place so that everything they did was legal.”

    They didn’t. Actually. They just ignored the constitution and the laws.

    “Indeed, were we to discriminate against prisoners and deny basic medical treatment, such as vaccines for a pandemic disease, we are not only guilty of the same mistreatment of the specific target, we are mistreating everyone in the same infection area: staff & visitors included.”

    I have no problem with giving staff the vaccines. This is not basic medical treatment. It is a rare and rationed treatment. We need to make priority lists. Prisoners are not high on my list of priorities. Why would they be?

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