Quite so, quite so

What we’re living through is a trans panic akin to the satanic panic of the ’80s and ’90s, when parents and police were convinced there were devil-worshipping cults infiltrating every facet of society. It is not logical.

The question is who is doing the panic bit?

After all, the social transmission mechanisms look the same but again, which side?

56 thoughts on “Quite so, quite so”

  1. Logic links facts to give an explanation. Where were the child sacrifice facts- made up. So yeah panic or no panic logic can’t help you if you don’t have a handle on the truth.

  2. Seems to be just the one comment it has taken a dislike to–I’ll try to put it below

    Satanic panic affected mental cases.

    Socialist scum qualify and were heavily involved in promoting “Satanism” =male paedos preying on kids and supposed child murders (however little the left-scum believed in Satan). The main instigators of the crap were born-again Christian loonies who formed a bizarre alliance with leftist scum. Mainly because the scummy leftists correctly decided that it was worth it for the anti-man fallout that would result.Which it did. The groundwork was done for Savile, Yewtree, rape-conviction quotas etc.

    As far as I can see there is no anti-trannie “panic” other than women/ parents/decent people not wanting themselves or their vulnerable daughters to have to share space with Desperate Dans in drag or be physically pounded by same in so-called “women’s sports”.

    So fuck trannie-panic.

    If weirds want to pretend they are women–whatever so long as it hurts no one. But as I said so many times to NiV –they aren’t going into women’s toilets/changing rooms etc. Nor should they be allowed in women’s sport.

  3. Riley Black, writing for Slate: Stop Trying to Out-Science Transphobes.

    It is not logical. Going over, yet again, how hormone levels, chromosomes, skeletal features, and more vary in many complex ways is not going to make a lick of difference to people who see me and others like me as an abomination

    The Science says Riley Black is a true and honest woman.

    Hundreds of thousands of pounds are pouring into UK anti-trans activism whether that’s through dark money, freelance fees, book sales or media appearances.

    Ah yes, the lucrative tranny-bashing industry. How much are these dastardly dark money thousandaires paying Graham Linehan and Joanna Cherry?

  4. On my shopping trip I saw several drivers who were alone in the car and wearing a mask. If the government told them that best action against the virus was to wear 10 pink masks and stick a thumb into one’s arsehole they’d probably do it.

  5. Ecksy – everybody I know* who has gotten the Oxford vaccine has suffered horrible flu symptoms for days afterwards. Think I’d rather take my chances with the Chinese virus.

    *Admittedly not a large number.

  6. A close relative of mine works in several hospitals in Finland, healthcare and medicine across the board from dead bodies to delirium tremens to heart attacks and works with doctors and nurses of all fields – he does not know of any colleagues who would volunteer to take the jab. Not a single one. They’re all waiting to see how not having one will restrict their life, holidays etc.

    Have to give credit where credit’s due and in Finland if one is sceptical it does not make one a conspiracy theorist.

  7. Bloke in North Dorset

    “ everybody I know* who has gotten the Oxford vaccine has suffered horrible flu symptoms for days afterwards. Think I’d rather take my chances with the Chinese virus.

    *Admittedly not a large number.”

    I had mine last Tuesday and not a symptom in sight. Not even a bit of ache when moving my arm as I had with the flu vaccine.

    Mind you, I did find handovers worked better when I was driving back. That means they must have included a 4G chip as I don’t have a 5G phone and there’s no 5G round here anyway.

    I thought the email from Bill Gates welcoming me to the Borg was quite nice. I did wonder how he knew I’d been over the speed limit on my way back, though. Does that mean they’ve also included a GPS chip as well?

  8. @Steve: I followed Riley Black on Twitter for his paeleontology long before he started having what I can only assume was a mental breakdown. Sad.

  9. JuliaM – it really is. He’s gone from being a normal looking man who might’ve been a perfectly good husband and Dad to some… thing… out of Clive Barker’s Nightbreed.

    Seems obvious to me that there’s a spiritual warfare element to the cult of insanity, ugliness and self-mutilation. So maybe Carrie’s reference to satanic stuff isn’t as risible as it might appear? If these people were literally tormented by actual demons trying to manifest Hell on Earth I dunno what they’d do differently.

    BiND – Yeahbut this is the traditional style vaccination, not the one that installs DRM in your chromosomes and makes you sign up to Office 365.

  10. Don’t give up the day job BiND as Peter Cooks sandwich was a better humourist than you.

    Once more I point out Gates himself suggested using microchips as a form of vax passport. There certainly will be none in your dose of useless lie juice. The one that entitles you to NOTHING when it comes to escaping virus tinpot tyranny.

    And as a general point to anti-“conspiracy” mugs. Even the otherwise reasonable “Politico” U tuber falls victim to anti-tinfoil hat tinfoilhattery when he talks about there being no conspiracy among 1000s of doctors etc to falsely put covid on death certs.

    Doesn’t need a conspiracy they have all signed up to. It just needs a ton of shite from above. The boss class sets rules saying Covid takes precedence on death certs. How many med hacks after years of training and with good money and prospect of more are going to look for trouble by insisting on the COD they prefer.

    Trouble with bosses anyway and if they are from overseas contract not renewed and back to Timbuktoo or wherever. Or an open invite for a charge of med incompetence. And if you beat the rap and don’t get struck off ,the rest of your career will be a pariah. No promotion, no advancement, no good jobs etc. Instead you will be given most demeaning and humiliating shit they can find.How many med hacks have the moral fibre/financial security to step into that mess? Very bloody few I reckon. So PCR false positive bullshit goes on death certs to provide the stats for Bogus Johnsons casedemic. With any need of conspiracy they all agree to.

  11. there is no anti-trannie “panic”

    The hysteria and malice is all on the side of the tranny mentalists. Blokes in dresses claiming reality is violence, in between using their 37 twitter accounts to threaten JK Rowling with rape.

  12. Steve: I had the Pfizer vaccine a month ago. Slightly sore arm for a couple of days & a bit of a headache the day after. Nothing else. My wife had the AstraZeneca, with similar effects. However her sister had flue-like symptoms for several days, and my daughter, who has had Covid from working in a hospital, had headache & fever for a couple of days. We speculate that the AZ reacts if one has had Covid already. Dunno about Pfizer, not enough info. No doubt there’ll be a paper published on it before long.

    I don’t have the same visceral aversion to the vaccines as several here, especially Ecks. It’s true we are a large Stage 3 trial, but so far the outturn in bad reactions seems to be small, unless you think “they” are keeping it all quiet. And the differential change in infection & mortality in the largely vaccinated older population suggests that it is effective to some degree.

  13. Tractor Gent, Ecks, whoever: according to the Jerusalem Post, the CEO of Pfizer has cancelled his planned trip to Israel because he’s not vaccinated. I don’t find that reassuring.

  14. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Tractor Gent, Ecks, whoever: according to the Jerusalem Post, the CEO of Pfizer has cancelled his planned trip to Israel because he’s not vaccinated. I don’t find that reassuring.”

    Maybe he’s not old enough and doesn’t want to be accused of jumping the queue?

  15. Bloke in North Dorset

    Mrs BiND had Pfizer, slight headache on the day.

    My brother, who had Covid last year had quite bad side effects for a couple of days, which apparently is quite common and to be expected. The immune system is already primed to fight the virus.

  16. BiND

    Maybe he’s not old enough and doesn’t want to be accused of jumping the queue?

    Which I believe is exactly what he did say…..

  17. My brother, who had Covid last year had quite bad side effects for a couple of days, which apparently is quite common and to be expected. The immune system is already primed to fight the virus.

    If people have had Covid, what possible clinical value is there in then subsequently taking the vaccine.

  18. If the majority of people who’ve had Covid were asymptomatic, looks like preventions going to be worse than the disease. I’m sort of presuming I’ve had it, since the sort of lifestyle I lead, not having had it would be some sort of miracle. Unless, of course, it’s nowhere near as contagious or debilitating as we’re repeatedly asked to believe. I’m bang in the middle of the most at risk age group

  19. As to AZ vaccine, had it a few weeks ago, no ‘flu symptoms: only effect was left upper arm ached slightly if I tried to sleep on it for that and the next night but that’s nothing to do with the vaccine, just to the actual physical jab into my arm, no worse than the ‘flu or any other jab.
    Nobody that *I* know has complained about side-effects (I do a zoom link weekly with a group that are mostly around my own age) but maybe that’s because we don’t have Ecksy’s paranoia.

  20. Dennis, Pointing Out The Obvious

    Shorter Carrie Marshall: “Everyone’s out to get me!”

    Shorter Ecks: “Everyone’s out to get me!”

  21. I’ve just booked mine. 15th June.

    I wonder if the fat potato has had his. He tweeted out some virtue signalling crap about how terrible it was that they weren’t following the 3 week gap between vaccines and that although his was due soon he’d prefer to wait so the vulnerable could have two before he had one. I’ll bet the narcissistic twat elbowed his way to the front of the queue as soon as he got the chance.

  22. Anyone able to explain what this means, taken from the Speccie?

    Or, as the Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals NHS Trust, asserted recently ‘there is currently biological essentialism and transphobia present within elements of mainstream birth narratives and discourse’.

  23. Every mug who takes the lie juice–for zero benefit since they aren’t letting you out of their LD shite–brings UK CCP-style social credit system nearer.

    They are assembling this Digital Public Identity Wallet(=Bliars ID Card online-already talk of all the “services” you wont be able to get if you aren’t part of it) bullshit. “Consultation” ends 11th March next.

    It will be combined with vax passport. From Monday BTW you will need and exit permit to leave the UK. Which you wont get save for a small number of reasons. Sign of what is to follow.

    The best hope of stopping this shite is for millions to refuse to take the crap or be a part of their system. But if majority go along with it then techno-tyranny is the future. I have little faith in the useless scum that makes up most of the human race. But hopefully a sixth will be enough to throw a spoke in the fuckers wheels.

    But it could all be my paranoia. Better go along with brilliant visionary Dennis who told you quite correctly that the US Election could not and would not be stolen. And with President Trump secure in the White House what have we to fear?

  24. Back to the subject, trans-whatever-the fuck-they-are, a 5 Watt light-bulb went off in my head: why don’t they all just wear kilts? Or would that be unsatisfyingly not alternative enough?

  25. I’m sort of presuming I’ve had it . . .

    Not sure about Spain, but in the UK you can get a highly accurate test for past Covid-19 infection from regular pharmacies for about £70. Also online.

    I’m bang in the middle of the most at risk age group.

    If you’re fit, healthy and tanned, you’re probably not much at risk at any age (though there may be a blood-group susceptibility).

  26. I and Mrs M both had the OAZ. I had no reaction at all (I rarely react badly to vaccinations), not even a sore arm, Mrs M had slight ‘flu-like’ symptoms for 24 hours.

  27. My parents are getting the vaccine next week in Finland, I assume it’s the inferior non-AZ one, the fucking frog or kraut stuff. Actually, good opportunity to wind my dad up and ask.

  28. Bloke in North Dorset

    bis,

    If the majority of people who’ve had Covid were asymptomatic, looks like preventions going to be worse than the disease. I’m sort of presuming I’ve had it, since the sort of lifestyle I lead, not having had it would be some sort of miracle. Unless, of course, it’s nowhere near as contagious or debilitating as we’re repeatedly asked to believe. I’m bang in the middle of the most at risk age group

    I can’t find it now but I saw some analysis of the Cambridge student trials that showed IIRC asymptomatic cases were about 28 symptomatic : 1 asymptomatic, rather that the claimed 3:1 they are using as a hobgoblin to keep us all on house arrest.

  29. Bloke in North Dorset

    One of Mrs BiND’s friends reported that her mother is a resident in a care home and caught Covid and she’s in her 80s. It turned out that 4 of them caught it about 10 days after the 1st dose vaccination and none of them ended in hospital.

    The stats are that, roughly, 3 would have been hospitalised and 2 died.

  30. @Jussi

    Tell your dad that you’ve read on the Internet that the Finnish government have imported a lot of the Russian vaccine but are calling it something else as they’re worried about the people’s reaction.

  31. Steve

    The only person I know who had the covid vaccine (Madame Tejas) had a stiff shoulder for a couple of days and felt like she had a hangover for a day or two. After that nothing. She had real flu (properly diagnosed by a real doctor) recently enough to remember and says that the experiences of covid vaccine and flu are not even remotely comparable. The flu was – as is real flu – horrible. Major fever. Whole body savage aches and pains. Not a feeling of general malaise, but of feeling truly merdique. The jab was a minor nuisance. I also know (but only communicate electronically) a bloke who had a shot as a volunteer. His observations were similar. Folk I know known by folk I know report similar results, or “none at all”.

    Obvs, YMMV, but it seems worthwhile overall to me. Of course, I’m subject to the whims of the spectacularly incompetent Austin Public Health, who have an online application process for first jabs which is …bizarre. Strangely, they manage the second jab differently, just emailing you with a data and time and place.

  32. BiS

    Don’t believe what they tell you about testing for having had covid. It’s of little informative value generally.
    Unless it’s a proper test looking for T-cells active against the merde as well as looking for antibodies.
    I **believe** (from exactly one such test, in Normandy, where I asked) that they’re generally antibody-only.

  33. I’ve had the Most friends of my age have had it: no side effects. AZ: no side effects. My wife had it: no side effects. My wife’s sister and her partner took to their beds afterwards, but then they are vegetarians and hypochondriacs.

  34. @BraveFart: “Anyone able to explain what this means, taken from the Speccie?”

    I suspect it means “Daddy wouldn’t buy me a bow-wow”. But it may mean “Just watch me advance my career”.

  35. Back in the early 2000s, there was an episode of one of those “WifeSwap” shows, where an evangelical Christian lady switched places with a Wiccan (think a black-clad, almost goth-looking family).

    At the end of the episode, the Christian lady comes back home and goes on a rant about “dark-sided stuff.” She asked all non-Christians on the TV crew to leave her home and said she wouldn’t take the $50k check because it was “tainted.”

    Needless to say, she ended up taking the money, and she was turned into a hilarious viral meme across the internet. You can still see the show clip on YouTube. That used to be conservatives in the U.S. They used to say, “If only conservatives could get over the identity politics, they could get more votes through their fiscal policy.”

    Welp, then Bush left office and Obama became drunk with power. Then Trump came along and all hell broke loose. Instead of keeping an eye on the other half of the country these past several years, liberals still assumed we were all the WifeSwap lady (many still think we are – looking at you, CNN!). Hell, even she’s changed since then. She’s a huge proponent of gay rights now, and accepts that there are different belief systems in the world.

    The Left has now turned into the puritanical authoritarians who fear diversity (“Anyone who is not black or trans, leave my house, now!”). The Left is the new WifeSwap lady.

    Which goes to show you, it’s not a matter of which “side” you’re on. It’s a matter of whether you’re a good person or a bad person. Neither side has a monopoly on virtue or logic. Both sides have a pendulum swinging between weakness and extremism, and it just depends at which time in history you catch it. It’s the responsibility of society to keep both halves of the country as close to their respective middles as possible.

  36. BiT – Obvs, YMMV, but it seems worthwhile overall to me

    I’d think of getting it if I was older (although the people I know who got sick from the vaccine are older). But I’m not at risk from Covid, so I reckon the downside outweighs the benefits.

    TG – Yarp.

    unless you think “they” are keeping it all quiet.

    The phenomenology of conspiracy theories is more interesting than conspiracy theories themselves. Why do people think the government / billionaires / shapeshifting reptilian nonces wish to do them harm? Because, well, they do.

    Endhendnc – No, that’s gay. Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their transwomen.

  37. For the vaccine sceptics/phobes amongst you, I had the AZ vaccine 3 weeks ago despite having refused the annual Flu jab for several years because of the adverse reaction I had the last time I had it. Apart from slight headaches and a general feeling of being “under the weather” for a couple of days I was fine and won’t hesitate to have the second jab in May.
    I’m afraid all it seems to have done for Mr Ecks is feed his paranoia and hate for all things Boris. Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you LOL.

  38. I’m afraid all it seems to have done for Mr Ecks is feed his paranoia and hate for all things Boris. Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you LOL.

    I won’t be taking the vaccine because, like Steve above, I’ve considered the risk/benefit ratio for my circumstances and concluded that the benefits do not outweigh the risks.

    For all of Ecks’ raging, events still show him right more often than not IMHO.

  39. Is it Tinfoil hattery or reasonable caution to read up on medical intervention before it is performed on you and yours:

    “According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19.

    Between Dec. 14 and Feb. 19, 19,769 reports were made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) following immunizations with either the Moderna or Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccines (the only two vaccines given during the time period assessed). At this time, VAERS data is not available after Feb. 19.

    The 966 deaths represent 5 percent of the total number of adverse events reports. Of those who died, 86, (8.9 percent) died on the same day they got the shot. An additional 129, (13.4 percent) died within one day. An additional 97 died within 2 days, and 61 within 3 days.

    A total of 514 (53.2 percent) died within a week. 173 died within 7-13 days. 106 within 14-20 days.”

  40. Bloke in North Dorset

    Those raw numbers need to be considered against the age and health (or lack of) those being vaccinated at the time.

  41. @Mr Ecks (March 6, 2021 at 3:51 pm)
    Interesting fact about the Travel Declaration form to leave the country. Politicians are exempt from it. Why am I not surprised.

  42. @ Bravefart:

    “… ‘there is currently biological essentialism and transphobia present within elements of mainstream birth narratives and discourse’.”

    Personally, I like my medics to be biological essentialists.

  43. BIND – indeed, so is it tinfoil hattery or prudence to read further?:

    “The death rate following COVID mRNA vaccination is much higher than that following influenza vaccination.

    The CDC’s data allows only a ballpark estimation of the rate of deaths following flu vaccination.

    In the 2019-2020 influenza season the CDC reports that 51.8 percent of the U.S. population received a vaccine, which is approximately 170 million people.

    VAERS reports that in the calendar year 2019 (not the 2019-2020 influenza season) there were 45 deaths following vaccination. To provide context, in 2018 VAERS reports 46 deaths, and in 2017 it reports 20 deaths.

    The 45 deaths in 2019 are occurring at a rate of 0.0000265 percent, when calculated using the number of vaccines given in the 2019-2020 influenza season.

    As of Feb. 19, 41,977,401 COVID vaccinations had been given with 966 deaths reported following vaccination, which is approximately a rate of .0023 percent.

    The VAERS System
    VAERS was put in place in 1990, to capture unforeseen reactions from vaccines.

    VAERS is criticized both for the fact that anybody can submit a report, and for the fact that it catches only a fraction of the adverse incidents.

    The VAERS website describes the system in this way:

    “Established in 1990, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines. VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after a person has received a vaccination. Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS. Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events and vaccine manufacturers are required to report all adverse events that come to their attention.

    “VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.”

  44. Bloke in North Dorset

    Nessimmersion,

    thanks, but I wont be changing my mind and will leave my booking for the 2nd dose. Vaccines have always been risk and looking through the numbers my best option is still vaccination, and I’m very fit for my age.

  45. If it had been properly tested for 5 years I might have taken the non-gene re-writing jab. Might.

    But not taking it because:
    1-Dont believe that Black Death 2 has any more killing power than ordinary bad winter flu. Indeed many in hosp now supposedly with C19 are suffering/dying from usual winter flu.
    2-Inadeq/improper tests.
    3-The political scum are SO desperate for us to take it. Even more so when it buys you nothing in LD escape anyway. There is something going on more than just Bogus Johnson posturing as vax saviour. His gang would not be seeding “new normal” bullshit at the rate they are if there was any actual intent to end LD via the vax. More tyranny via vax passport/Digi-ID yes. But not LD escape. Something else afoot. Great Reset/Greenfreakshow–maybe. Or something else.

    4–For political reasons. The start of the social credit system as I posted about above.

    Unless e’one on here who has taken it is going to refuse a vax passport then the stuff will have done untold damage even if it kills/harms no one physically. If you accept vax pass–social credit tyranny is ON . Don’t kid yourself otherwise.

  46. My immediate family have been jabbed ( I don’t know which vaccines) and all felt a bit grotty for a few days afterwards.

    I will resist taking it despite being “high risk” :

    If I was to going have the plague, I would probably have already been infected by now.

    If it had been available last year, I probs would have had it. I am not an anti vaxxer per se and have had plenty of tropical disease jabs.

    I object to the implicit compulsion, which is soon to be explicit. Like Ecksy, I neither believe nor trust anything the govt. says.

    There doesn’t seem to be much point, if it doesn’t prevent contraction but only makes symptoms milder.

    I’ll wait for the BillGates vaccine and save myself a few quid on my mobile phone contract.

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