Well, yes Senator, quite so, quite so

Law enforcement officials including the director of the FBI have said the shootings in Atlanta in which eight people were killed do not appear to have been racially motivated, but the Georgia senator Raphael Warnock said on Sunday: “We all know hate when we see it.”

Sure, it’s hate. But not all hate is racially motivated.

26 thoughts on “Well, yes Senator, quite so, quite so”

  1. Well the senator and his cohorts certainly seem to hate whites. And guns as well.

    But I suspect if guns could only be purchased by non-whites that second hatred would vanish.

  2. O/T
    Interesting times in Bristol you seem to have had, last night. Roundly condemned by all, of course. Except what do you expect resistance to an incipient police state to look like? A village fete?

  3. And a conundrum to ponder. Giving the authorities to power to prevent the sort of actions you’ve seen by ER & BLM gives them the power to use it against you. Is that the price you’re willing to pay?

  4. I will believe such powers will be used against AntiFa/BLM/XR when I see the baton charge and the rubber bullets.

  5. If the authorities had treated lockdown protesters and Sarah Everard ‘vigilites’ (is that a word?) with the same soft touch they used against ER and BLM, the protests would have gone ahead with no problems(except of course for the nutters who will use any excuse to riot and duff up a few plod).

  6. With Judge Dredd style eye-in-the-sky drones can’t they pick out and pick off the core troublemakers?

  7. And with a 12 gauge & a box of No6 can#t they pick off the Judge Dredd eye-in-the -sky drones?
    Check. Your move.

  8. As the great Gene Hunt said
    ‘What as opposed to an “I really like you” murder?’

    Other reasons for murder that occur to me, in no particular order, not including hate:
    Money
    Respect/disrespect
    Revenge
    Funsies
    Love/jealousy
    Drugs
    Gang initiation
    Covering up another crime/removing witnesses

    I’m sure the fine people on here could come up with some more.

    For the record, I’m not sure why ‘hate’ is a worse reason to murder someone than the above list. They should really be treated equally.
    If anything, murdering someone just for the funsies is probably the worst in my book, but our enlightened politicians have decided that hate is the worst.

  9. Bloke in North Dorset

    If the authorities had treated lockdown protesters and Sarah Everard ‘vigilites’ (is that a word?) with the same soft touch they used against ER and BLM

    There were plenty of vigils that went ahead and were allowed to continue. The one on Clapham Common turned nasty when the usual suspects arrived to turn it in to a demo. As someone commented, spray cans are odd things to take to a peaceful vigil.

    Your point still stands though, ER and BLM were allowed to continue and now the lesson that violence gets respected been learned, so expect more violence.

  10. Your point still stands though, ER and BLM were allowed to continue and now the lesson that violence gets respected been learned, so expect more violence.

    Til you piss off enough normal people. Then you end up with a lot more violence coming your way.
    One of my favourite videos is of the ER prats on the top of the DLR train getting chased by an angry commuter, then them being tossed to the pissed off crowd below.

    If you want to see how much people expect of the police nowadays, look back at the BLM statue attacks. Police stand by and do jaff all. So the Boy Scout pensioners (I think) and football clubs go out to defend the statues.
    That’s how we end up with civil chaos on the streets – police not doing their jobs properly (and being seen to take sides – kneeling in front of BLM anyone?)

  11. Remember the Bristol police standing by when the statues were toppled? They set the standard of what these groups could get away with.

  12. “If you want to see how much people expect of the police nowadays, look back at the BLM statue attacks. Police stand by and do jaff all. So the Boy Scout pensioners (I think) and football clubs go out to defend the statues.
    That’s how we end up with civil chaos on the streets – police not doing their jobs properly (and being seen to take sides – kneeling in front of BLM anyone?)”

    Maybe that’s preferable to giving the police more powers. The public taking direct action to safeguard its freedoms rather than sitting back & expecting it to be done for it. As for the outcome… there are, after all, a lot more of us than them.

  13. Maybe that’s preferable to giving the police more powers. The public taking direct action to safeguard its freedoms rather than sitting back & expecting it to be done for it. As for the outcome… there are, after all, a lot more of us than them.

    The police don’t need more powers. They already have more than enough. They just need to use them wisely and appropriately and evenly.
    I realise that’s asking a lot from plod.
    The public taking direct action sounds, initially, like a good thing. But on reflection it leads to mobs, who are indiscriminate and not a recipe for a stable, safe society.

  14. Bloke in North Dorset

    When did we stop using water cannons? They tended to be effective, especially on cold night.

  15. “When did we stop using water cannons? ”
    They’ve never been used, mainland UK, have they?
    Ken bought some for London but Boris flogged them?

  16. “But on reflection it leads to mobs, who are indiscriminate and not a recipe for a stable, safe society.”

    And the police are what?

  17. Bloke in North Dorset

    BiS,

    I have a vague memory of them being used on students in the 60s, or maybe I’m conflating news reports and it was Paris.

  18. Ken bought some for London but Boris flogged them?

    Boris bought some. The government of the day (can’t remember which specific branding the government was using at the time; Home Secretary might have been Theresa May) told him he couldn’t use them.

  19. @BiND
    My memories are of Paris in ’68. Yes water cannon. And tear gas, CRS shocktroops with shields & clubs, automatic weapons …
    No doubt where Plod gains inspiration.

  20. Water Cannon

    used in NI, I believe but a regular feature on the continent. There were even some ready for trouble at the Kassel anti-lockdown march.

    Boris’ water cannon were never used, due I believe to government intervention and sold by Khan for scrap.

  21. Bloke in North Dorset

    It appears the use of water canons isn’t banned:

    “ Announcement of the Home Secretary’s decision on the authorisation of water cannon and supporting evidence.

    From:Home Office Published:15 July 2015
    As water cannons have the capacity to cause harm, it is classed as a ‘less lethal systems and technology’, for which there is an established authorisation process. Their use by the police in England and Wales is subject to Ministerial authorisation.”
    https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/home-secretarys-decision-on-water-cannon-use

    I can’t find of their use outside NI, so must be the Paris riots I’m remembering.

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