Oh Dear God. Again.

Richard Murphy says:
April 6 2021 at 3:51 pm
There has been some testing

Pfizer works best it seems with 3 week delay. Extension seems to provide no gain and maybe loss of effectiveness

AZ seems to provide a gain by being delayed more than three weeks. 12 weeks seems not to have been tested.

But the decision was political and not medical. Jabs in arms mattered most

We’re in the middle of a pandemic and you want to extend the vaccine testing period by nine weeks? Or just get the damn thing out the door when the results are good enough?

Myself I’d call that a medical decision but then what do I know, I’m not The Fat Controller.

18 thoughts on “Oh Dear God. Again.”

  1. The government is taking a decision without gathering the evidence to back it up. That sounds, uh, vaguely… what’s the word… courageous?

  2. There’s no official data on anything regarding the vaccines other than what was tested for in the trials.

    Any other data regarding effectiveness beyond the recommended and tested vaccination period(s) is wholly the result of the whole kerfuffle with delivery/production delays and the chaos around it.
    And all of that simply states that delaying the second vaccination, when applicable, beyond the reccommended period does not negate the first inoculation, at least up to the maximum period between vaccinations that has been tested for.
    (Which is, all things considered, a Good Thing.. )

    Anything anyone proclaims about “effectivity” beyond that is massaging of numbers on incomplete and incidental data by ????.
    There certainly are no scientific articles to be found, no official press releases by the manufacturers, and nothing officially published by all the national Health and Population agencies that I could find.

    I may have missed something, but methinks P3 is producing his usual flatulence again.

  3. All the vaccines are being used under Emergency Use Authority as stage three trials only complete variously in late 2022, early 2023. Given at my age and state of health I am 98.summat % likely to survive the magic virus, I am happy to remain part of the control group until such time as all the data is in and conclusions are drawn,, by which ttime a resistant variant will have emergeed and the industry will be flagging booster shots.

  4. We are in the vanishing stage of a bad winter flu lied to the skies by the political scum of the Earth and their henchcreatures. First because they pee’d their pants and now as a power grab and intro to CCP -style social credit tyranny. Still active in UK but dying the death it seems in US.

    Bollocks to their lies and their assorted cock-rotting nostrums alike. Which are taken on the basis of promises that would need a mug’s mug to actually believe.


  5. Dennis, On The Front Lines Fightin' Them Chlorinated Chickens

    We’re in the middle of a pandemic and you want to extend the vaccine testing period by nine weeks?

    Deferred tax, deferred shots…

  6. Not sure what Murphy’s saying here. The span between the 1st and 2nd AZ jabs WAS extended (by government diktat?) from three to twelve weeks, some two months ago, without any real reason being given. A cynic might be forgiven for thinking that it was by using more of the jabs on the first round, they could then crow about how many had received that one, while crossing their collective fingers that enough jabs turned up for the second go. By extending from 3 to 12, it looks like they might get away with it.
    Other than that, I subscribe to the Ecks theory of relativity.

  7. Theophrastus (2066)

    Slightly,OT…Roger Boyes in The Times today:

    “Again and again in dealing with the pandemic, Germany has tripped itself up. You are inoculated by a team, with a pharmacist to fill the syringe, a nurse to inject, a doctor to explain and sign and stamp eight sheets of paper for each patient.”

    That is hilarious!

  8. Look, I’m sorry I’m stoopid, but how does one make the **first** comment on a piece? Being th esond or later, it’s obvious.

    But the first??

    Incidentally, just cancelled my PayPal account. Apparently I cannot rely on them to make payments, and so it’s best to cancel them at a time of my choosing rather than get messed with in the future at a time of their choosing.

  9. Murphy is, as usual, either ignorant or lying as there *is* some data for longer time intervals between AZ shots and it indicates higher efficacy.
    This was known but not published to the general public when the government announced the delay [now *I* don’t know whether HMG had been briefed or not but I should very much like to know *who* told Murphy categorically that HMG had *not* been briefed].

  10. He’s versatile, is Murph. He’s stupid and ignorant on practically every topic he writes about.

    I attribute this to the fact that he’s mad, the poor soul. Demented, bonkers, insane, doolally, away with the fairies, …

  11. BlokeInTejas: Click on the title of the piece.

    As for the Germans I read – was it here? – that the OAPs had to fill in a long form before getting the jab as well. For me in the UK the same guy gave me the jab, wrote the batch no & the date on the card & gave it to me. Perfectly straightforward.

    However, there were tales of volunteer jab-givers here having to fill out all sorts of forms & have evidence of several silly hoops they had to jump through. I dunno how much they eventually streamlined that. Perhaps they must have, given the apparent scale of the rate of vaccination.

  12. Bloke in North Dorset

    I read a Tweet from a German doctor who carried out 500 vaccinations but when he entered the billing codes they had expired on 31 March.

  13. Bloke in North Dorset

    “ But the decision was political and not medical. ”

    We know it wasn’t for the simple reason that if it had been political it would have been leaked to the BBC/Guardian before Boris or whoever tried to make the decision had left the room.

  14. BiS-What a shame for the vile little cow.

    With Erdogan she was lucky they didn’t slap her around and then stand over her while she was made to make some sandwiches.

  15. In the UK, the bureaucrats seem to have been defeated on two fronts, but seemingly with no shots fired. Maybe I just haven’t followed it closely enough.

    First, I remember PHE grudgingly accepting that vaccinations could happen on Saturdays (which was news). Shortly thereafter, it was 7 days a week. What happened?

    Second, volunteer jabbers were faced with a mountain of paperwork when applying. This also disappeared as a problem.

    Is it Kate Bingham?

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