They’re not planning to relax the controls, are they?

Covid passports designed to return life to normal in Britain might not be ready until the autumn, The Telegraph can reveal.

If they’re developing systems that won’t even be ready until the dangers have passed then they’re not going to take that boot of the face of human society, are they?

Remember, ID cards after WWII, someone had to sue the government to get them to stop insisting upon them…..

22 thoughts on “They’re not planning to relax the controls, are they?”

  1. Johnson said that all restrictions would be scrapped from late June but the legislation was extended to September and now there is speculation about vaccine passports not just for travelling but also for pubs, nightclubs and sporting events.

    Do they have unpublished evidence of vaccine resistant variants or is there something else going on?

  2. It’s all utter bollocks, I’m afraid. Covid passports required for the theatre but not public transport or a pub? It’s not about risk and it never has been.

    This proves it.

  3. Apparently a U-turn requiring a passport to enter a pub, but one needed for a concert, cinema etc. Hhmmm…I expect an outcry from the businesses needing to demand a passport after which the government caves in to demand a passport for everything, for equality etc, all pre-planned.

  4. So all legal restrictions lifted from mid-July, except for all the legal restrictions which will remain.

  5. Why do they hate kids so much?*

    First they bugger up their education, against all emerging evidence.
    Then they say adults can get some fresh air because it’s good for them, but kids must stay indoors.
    Then they introduce passports which the kids can’t get because they are last in the queue, and there’s no point in vaccinating a cohort at zero risk.

    * OK, they are bloody annoying. Moralising know-it-alls, mostly celibate and not under the influence of drugs. What’s to like? But they need the kids’ votes. Unless they are going to abolish voting too.

  6. I’ve still got my ID card from when I was a baby/toddler. Perhaps I could use that…

    Interestingly the expiry date on it is my birthday in 1965, so perhaps they were expecting to keep them for that length of time.

  7. Bloke in North Dorset

    There’s talk that this is a way to “nudge” young people in to getting vaccinated.

    Anyone who thinks Nudge has anything to do with this sort of coercive policy should be shot at dawn. Actually, no point waiting for dawn, shot on sight.

  8. I think this is an interesting insight into how this sort of thing actually works.
    Government has a problem.
    Cue all sorts of people & organisations shouldering their way to the front offering solutions to the problem.
    These will have absolutely nothing to do with whether what they’re offering does solve the problem. Simply whether the offerers will benefit if the offer is accepted.
    What is accepted will suit the pre-existing agendas of those within government, advisers, hangers on & any others with influence.
    All parties will be acting in their own personal interests.
    Whether or not there accrues a benefit to the public from all of this is purely accidental.

  9. Did anyone have any illusion that anyone who has grabbed the reins of power over this exaggerated-cold episode would ever let go of them, unless pried from their cold, dead hands?

  10. The Gubmint says that
    1. 127,000 people have died from the Wu Flu
    2. The Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) is 0.5%
    3. 31 million people have been vaccinated
    4. Herd immunity against Wu Flu will be reached at 66% of the population
    5. There are 67 million people in the UK

    All of these can be disputed of course, but for the purposes of this argument, they are useful since they are the Gubmint’s own and therefore they can’t dispute them (well, shouldn’t be able to).

    So, from points 1 and 2 we find that 25.4 million people have been infected, which, applying point 5, means that 38% of the population have had the CCP virus. Then, points 3 and 5 tell us that 46% of the population has been vaccinated. However, of those 38% have also been infected, so we can only add 62% x 46% = 28.5% (those vaccinated but not infected) to 38% (those infected, whether vaccinated or not) to get 66.5% of the population being immune – either through previous infection or vaccination, or both.

    And from point 4 we can therefore conclude that the UK has reached herd immunity. This can also be seen from the fact that the registered deaths are at a minimum and the positive “”cases”” have bottomed out at a plateau which corresponds with the likely false positive rate.

    Job done – let’s lift all restrictions. If not, why not?

  11. Anyone feel that those supposedly in control see a window of opportunity to push through all sorts of crap and are eager to extend this ‘pandemic’ long enough while they get everything in place

  12. Bloke in China (Germany province)

    Various people here have expressed sadness at my apparent conversion to conspiracy theorist, for repeatedly warning that Covid, while real and dangerous to some, is not on any measure a public health threat that justifies the response the western world has come up with.

    Just how many conspiracy theories, up to and including vaccine passports (idiotic as the vaccinated are protected anyway), have now been proven correct?

    This is about ending western civilisation as we know it. I don’t know who, or why, but someone thinks we need to not be let out again, and they have convinced a supermajority of the population that we are better off indoors. Forever.

  13. Comes the time when Citizens must do the right thing as most have in the US, ignore the oppressors and get on with life.

  14. Is there any mileage in the theory that because the vaccines are only legally able to be used in a pandemic emergency they have got to keep the ’emergency’ going until everyone is vaccinated? That is to say formal clinical trials are unlikely to be finished until 2022 at the earliest so all vaccines will have to fall under emergency permissions and thus the ’emergency’ will be dragged out at least until then, and probably far longer if ‘booster’ vaccines are called for, which will also not have gone through full clinical trials, and will also be operating under emergency licences. In fact it might never end if a new vaccine is required each year, and there never is time to fully test one before the next new one is needed.

  15. “This is about ending western civilisation as we know it. I don’t know who, or why, but someone thinks we need to not be let out again, and they have convinced a supermajority of the population that we are better off indoors. Forever.”

    An ADE type scenario could end up killing everyone who has taken the current vaccines. How likely that is I have no idea, but its a non zero possibility given the history of mRNA type vaccines. Being indoors for ever might seem like a good option at that point.

  16. Jim

    Is there any mileage in the theory that because the vaccines are only legally able to be used in a pandemic emergency they have got to keep the ’emergency’ going until everyone is vaccinated?

    Also that perfectly good treatments have not been authorised because one of the conditions of “approval of vaccines due to pandemic” is that there aren’t already sound treatments available? BiG et al might know how accurate that might be? If true, then that takes unethical to a whole new level.

    Isn’t part of the risk here due to boosters. At which point, anything can be added. The EMA, FDA etc have now apparently stated that – because not materially different – future boosters won’t need trials, just print and stab…..

    BiG

    Just how many conspiracy theories, up to and including vaccine passports (idiotic as the vaccinated are protected anyway), have now been proven correct?

    This. It’s becoming increasingly impossible to assume benign intent.

  17. Blojob has deciced to try for quick transit from cod virus panic/vax saviour bullshit straight to green flop-the-plebs-first-then-everybody-lower-than-whaleshit plan . Using CCP-style social credit tyranny as the means, And vax passports first step. If people get panic-free time to think the Fat Fool of Eton knows they will remember the 50-200,000+ his LD antics have killed and goodbye Bogus Johnson.

    Time to refuse to go to the back of the bus. Blojerk has already swallowed on pubs. We can make him drop the lot. So long the same mugs who accepted vax for holidays they aren’t being allowed don’t prove equally stupid over this.

    Here’s a reminder of what happens if we lose:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOlFEbfTJa0

  18. Bloke in China (Germany province)

    “Is there any mileage in the theory that because the vaccines are only legally able to be used in a pandemic emergency they have got to keep the ’emergency’ going until everyone is vaccinated?”

    The “emergency use authorization” is an FDA thing, has almost never been used, and does require government authorization. It doesn’t, as far as I know, require that the government take any other action against the pandemic. Terms and conditions apply (see 21CFR for details).

    EMA is more its own boss, though for standard approvals it just makes recommendations, and the European Commission does the formal approval (and as far as I know has never departed from an EMA recommendation). The approvals in Europe are “conditional”, those conditions will essentially be delivering all the data you would normally expect to see on a product as and when it becomes available.

    “Also that perfectly good treatments have not been authorised because one of the conditions of “approval of vaccines due to pandemic” is that there aren’t already sound treatments available?”

    There are several problems with this. First, I doubt anyone has submitted a request for permission to market HCQ, or ivermectin, or anything else, to any western agency. Why would you bother? It’s really difficult at the best of times to get formal authorization for off-patent drugs in new indications because no one is going to do the expensive and risky research when 26 other generic manufacturers stand to gain.

    Second, as both drugs are already marketed, no further approval is needed. Any doctor who thinks “this is good for my patient” is free to prescribe “off-label”, and doctors do that all the time. The lack of approval might mean that patients have to pay full cost for the drugs, but these are old and cheap and no one in the west is going to miss out for financial reasons. Decisions on how and when to use old drugs are made at the grass-roots level, not the ivory towers of regulators. Experience spreads via grapevine, and these days it is very fast. Look how quickly we stopped intubating patients when word got out that it was making things worse.

    “The EMA, FDA etc have now apparently stated that – because not materially different – future boosters won’t need trials, just print and stab…..”

    Yep, this would be the same basis on which ‘flu vaccines are developed.

  19. BiG

    Thanks for the clarity.

    “Decisions on how and when to use old drugs are made at the grass-roots level, not the ivory towers of regulators.”

    Interesting. Not my field at all, but I had thought, in the UK, that NICE (?) may have had at least some regulatory influence over standard prescribing? If so, maybe authorise/approve were the wrong words, but the practical effect of which may not be that different? I’ll follow up with one or two medics I know, I’m curious as to how they perceive that it works for them on a day to day basis. For example, would a UK GP prescribe (for C19) something like Ivermectin (for example) as a treatment from Day 1, given the pretty much proven benefits; and what might in practice influence that – regulatory, “customer”, etc?

  20. Bloke in China (Germany province)

    I doubt a GP would prescribe ivermectin for Covid but it is probably in use in hospitals. I’m sure NICE don’t care about drugs that cost a couple of quid per treatment. The way off-label is controlled in Germany is that you the patient get to pay for off-label use, not your health insurer (mileage varies with private insurers), or your doc gets to pay if they are caught prescribing off-label.

    I don’t believe there is any _suppression_ of use of effective products beyond local policies and guidelines, which will take into account, e.g., the EMA’s negative view, though there definitely is suppression of the discussion of their use. There just isn’t very much evidence that they are effective.

    I am a long way off my reservation with viral infections, but if you want my HO, ivermectin>>>HCQ, as far as the limited evidence goes. Anything beyond palliative treatment of viral infections is basically a wash, always has been, probably always will be. 50 years of research have given us a moderately effective curative therapy for HepC and good suppression of HIV. Apart from that, our options for any virus are evade, vaccinate, or tolerate. It’s clear by now that covid falls into the “tolerate” category for ~80% of the population.

  21. BiG

    “if you want my HO, ivermectin>>>HCQ, as far as the limited evidence goes. Anything beyond palliative treatment of viral infections is basically a wash”

    I found this interesting (and others linked within as well):

    https://c19ivermectin.com/

    I might start reading through some of these in more detail. Anything at all akin to a 75% improvement would be pretty useful as a treatment.

  22. Bloke in China (Germany province)

    Look at the endpoints for any study. We don’t actually care about you getting or not getting the sniffle, or if the sniffle lasts 16 hours less, we care if you die, or possibly if you end up in hospital consuming healthcare resources.

    That said, the vaccine “90% effective” endpoint was “90% [relatively] fewer got a sniffle”.

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