Well, yes, indeed

Besides, everybody’s got pronouns! You, me, that powder-pink velvet couch I bought offline that’s too big for my apartment but too pretty to get rid of – everybody!

Quite so, so what’s the fuss about? English already has methods of referring to the self and also other, impersonal ones. I and you seem to cover matters……

14 thoughts on “Well, yes, indeed”

  1. ’ First of all, there are only about 1.4 million trans people in the United States, according to a 2016 estimation by the UCLA School of Law’s Williams Institute, so I doubt we’re considered a profitable enough market for such a big heartless corporation like Instagram…’

    No, but the noise generated by the vocal teeny-tiny minority is out of all proportion to the size, and that’s what they are reacting to, isn’t it?

  2. First of all, there are only about 1.4 million trans people in the United States, according to a 2016 estimation by the UCLA School of Law’s Williams Institute . . .”

    Secondly, that’s just made up bullshit that overstates the numbers.

  3. This is what puzzles me, the only situations where 3rd person pronouns are used are when you are talking or writing about other people. So why should I be bothered about being called she or zie or they, when I am out of hearing range? It’s a form of Murphy-level egoism

  4. There’s a rule in life, isn’t there? We don’t get to chose what we’re called. Trees are trees & cows are cows whether they like it or not. And stupid cunts are stupid cunts whatever they think they are.

  5. Apparently I now have to register to keep reading the Guardian.

    I only ever see the Guardian when I click on links here, so I’ll not bother registering and rely on the summaries I find here.

    “Stupid cunts” works for me. Keep ’em coming, BiS.

  6. @Sam Vara

    Same here. I was blocked from commenting for some reason then had that ‘you need to register’ thing and couldn’t be bothered.

  7. 0.4% as an estimate. So, a guess by people with a built-in interest in the number. Mercians had a census last year didn’t they? There’ll be real concrete numbers in a year or so, followed by screams and gnashing of teeth when the real actual concrete numbers say something like 0.004%.

  8. Eh, I wouldn’t be complacent about the numbers.

    We know that child referrals to the Tavistock have gone up by something like 6000% over the last 10 years.

    Anecdotal evidence: there’s an epidemic of late-onset trannyism among adult male nerds. I’m on a retro computer FB group. Five years ago there were no hideously ugly “wamen” with clown makeup and Adam’s Apples you could grate cheese on. Place is full of them now.

    They’re Coming To Be You, Barbara

  9. There might easily be 1.4m who call themselves transgender in the USA but they will overwhelmingly be young people with otherwise zero intersectional points desperately wanting to feel special or else the perennial favourite, blokes in frocks.

    As for genuine transgenders, the ones prepared to put their money where their mouths are by having the chop, it’s only going to be a teeny tiny fraction of that figure.

  10. Dennis, Asking The Tough Questions

    Besides, everybody’s got pronouns! You, me, that powder-pink velvet couch I bought offline that’s too big for my apartment but too pretty to get rid of – everybody!

    Am I supposed to give a fuck? Please advise.

  11. I’ve been reading the letters between Patrick Leigh Fermor and Deborah Devonshire. Their preferred pronouns are “one” and “one”.

    (Not a bad read, mind – he’s a fine writer; the letters are often funny.)

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