There is no simple explanation for Labour’s lost voters
Paula Surridge
Yes there is. What Labour’s offering ain’t what folks want.
Start offering what they do in fact want and Labour will do just fine.
There is no simple explanation for Labour’s lost voters
Paula Surridge
Yes there is. What Labour’s offering ain’t what folks want.
Start offering what they do in fact want and Labour will do just fine.
The simple explanation is that Labour are ideologically unwilling to accept the very clear message. They’d rather die than admit they’re a bunch of hate-filled nannying woke Marxists with a Palestine obsession and who hate this country and its history and its actual culture.
@patrick
+++++ What he said
“They’d rather die than admit they’re a bunch of hate-filled nannying woke Marxists with a Palestine obsession and who hate this country and its history and its actual culture.”
I thought the problem was that they have been making those views extremely clear, and everyone else (including their old working class voters) has noticed?
Start offering what they do in fact want and Labour will do just fine.
But that’s Populism and Populism, we’re assured, is bad. Instead, they should double-down on their policy of pandering to the Africans and Asians already here, and importing millions more of them – with the willing help of the Cons,of course. Then simply use them to out-vote the evil, racist, bigoted English.
Result: Permanent Labour Government!
The sort of language and squabbling you would expect between the Socialist Party (England and Wales) and the Socialist Party of Great Britain, or the Workers Revolutionary Party and the Socialist Workers Party, or the Communist Party of Britain (Marxist–Leninist) and the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist–Leninist), etc. have become commonplace within the Labour party. It is far from the first time a bunch of these weirdoes (long time party members rather than a new apparition) rose to power in the party, and it’s not going to be the last time either.
The real mystery is why voters who don’t like left woke immigration-supporting big government and denigration of the indigenes turned round and voted…tory?
We need a sensible centre left opposition. An electable and non country-wrecking alternative. But… that means the Labour Party needs to die and clear space for such. I don’t think that can happen as both ends of the party will cling to the Labour name (fuck knows why!!!) and seek to get the other extreme to push off into a new party. It’s going to be the Judean People’s Front all the way until they’ve been wittled away to nada. You’d need a heart of stone not to laugh. I’m buying popcorn.
” that means the Labour Party needs to die and clear space for such. I don’t think that can happen as both ends of the party will cling to the Labour name (fuck knows why!!!) and seek to get the other extreme to push off into a new party.”
As the current Labour ‘team’ is doing a pretty good job of making the brand toxic, would a new name not actually help a new party instead of hinder? It could attract many voters who are put off by the Labour name but actually like the policies the new party espouses? I get the feeling that political allegiances are far less tight than they used to be and people are far more prepared to flip to new parties if they like the cut of their jib.
The real mystery is why voters who don’t like left woke immigration-supporting big government and denigration of the indigenes turned round and voted…tory?
Brexit. Fear of Corbyn. Lack of an alternative.
I see little sign of a viable alternative emerging by the next GE.
@Jonathan
“and importing millions more of them – with the willing help of the Cons,of course. Then simply use them to out-vote the evil, racist, bigoted English.
Result: Permanent Labour Government!”
Yes, I’m sure that’s the intention.
But it won’t work out like that. Those that get here, legally or illegally, are the keenest, most determined, ambitious for themselves and their family. They won’t wantt tosee all their efforts confiscated by socialists.
Indeed, they are perfect Thatcherite voters. Sad there isn’t a party to vote for.
Similar effects in US, where the immigrants are far from Democrat-fodder, and are among the keener of Trump supporters. They’ve made the effort, and want to benefit from it. Kulaks! 🙂
Similar effects in US, where the immigrants are far from Democrat-fodder, and are among the keener of Trump supporters.
Eh, immigrants, and more importantly for the future, their children, tend to vote Democrat/Labour by Kim Jong Un style supermajorities. Why do you think the Tories are now basically unelectable in most of London?
Doesn’t matter if a small minority of them are keen right wingers, because politics is a zero sum game.
“As the current Labour ‘team’ is doing a pretty good job of making the brand toxic, would a new name mot actually help…..”
If they continue with their current policies, there is an existing political party they could ‘team’ up with. Whether The Monster Raving Loony Party would have them, is another matter.
“Eh, immigrants, and more importantly for the future, their children, tend to vote Democrat/Labour by Kim Jong Un style supermajorities. Why do you think the Tories are now basically unelectable in most of London?”
Spot on Steve.
What happened at these recent elections is the white working class took one look at the Critical Race Theory / Anti White racism obsession of the Labour Party and said fuck that.
Labour is well on its way to being the UK Muslim Party…
Patrick
“We need a sensible centre left opposition.”
Swap centre left for “right of centre” and I’d agree with you.
We need a sensible centre left opposition.
The sensible centre-left is currently in government. A sensible centre-right party is what’s needed.
The comment section of the Guardian, which is wholly manned by Labour activists who want to pretend they’re not, is in a state of anguished confusion. This can be summed up as “why won’t the thick, racist gammons vote for us?”. It looks like we’ve finally reached the point when they stop going through the motions of caring about labour and becoming the fabian managerialist party it always wanted to be. The only question now is when will the unions abandon it.
Those that get here, legally or illegally, are the keenest, most determined, ambitious for themselves and their family.They won’t want to see all their efforts confiscated by socialists.
Indeed, they are perfect Thatcherite voters. Sad there isn’t a party to vote for.
No. We can actually see how they vote; and it isn’t majority Tory. The fact is they’ll vote for the party that tells them that:
A) They’re wonderful,
B) Their failure to thrive in the UK is the fault of White people, and
C) Offers the most free stuff for their particular tribe.
I’m puzzled that the Lib Dems haven’t profited more from Corbyn’s reign. True, there’s tuition fees, but in Labour there’s Iraq and lunacy. Maybe if Labour sink further, there will be a rush. The non-Tory vote must go somewhere, and it can’t all go to the Greens, surely!
“The sensible centre-left is currently in government.”
After watching Bunter’s antics over the last 14 months (over a low IFR respiratory virus), “sensible” is a hell of a stretch.
I was disappointed but not remotely surprised that the Football Association, which previously had strictly enforced a no politics rule and fined players for displaying messages on their t shirts, has now decided that parading a Palestinian flag around Wembley is just fine and dandy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43350447
I wonder how Pep Guardiola feels about this.
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PF, MB, I agree with what you say about centre-right opposition! I hope the country’s Overton Window has moved right. If so Labour is in dockside hooker territory.
Nautical: The LibDems do well when there’s a moderate Labour Party. When the Labour Party is clearly nuts marginal voters can’t risk voting LibDem and letting the nutters in, so go straight over to the conservatives.
Plus, at the moment, the LibDems are circling the drain of nuttery as well.
Start offering what they do in fact want and Labour will do just fine.
The fact that such an option is, by definition, off the table is what complicates matters.
The only question now is when will the unions abandon it.
You obviously haven’t been paying attention, they’re a major part of the problem. I don’t agree with him on much but if the likes Paul Embery are getting thrown out of unions they’re in a sorry state.
I’m puzzled that the Lib Dems haven’t profited more from Corbyn’s reign.
They’re even more of a freak show, and a nasty one at that. They didn’t even wait for the MP in Chesham to die before they started campaigning. I don’t see how it could happen but until the Orange Bookers get back some control they’re just the same side of the Labour coin.
Good government requires good opposition and the current shower need to be charged with taking (Short) money under false pretences.
You obviously haven’t been paying attention, they’re a major part of the problem.
Didn’t say they weren’t, but there’s the whiff of divorce in the air. https://labourlist.org/2021/05/leader-of-unions-group-tells-starmer-to-publicly-disavow-mandelson-comments/
@Tim the Coder
http://runnymedetrust.org/uploads/2017%20Election%20Briefing.pdf
Not quite Kim Jong-Un, but overwhelmingly Labour. And Pakistani and Bangladeshi voting was DPRK level.
@Ken
There’s a few startling facts in there.
“Conservatives still find it extremely hard to win in seats with more than 30% non-white British residents – in 2017, they won just 16 of these 110 seats”
Not so much whether the Conservatives won in those seats but that there are 110 parliamentary seats with more than 30% of the electorate non-white British.
I doubt there was one such seat when I was born in 1962. That’s a massive demographic change.
I doubt there was one such seat when I was born in 1962. That’s a massive demographic change.
All perfectly natural; to suggest otherwise is a conspiracy theory…
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/crer/research/publications/nemda/nemda1991sp10.pdf
Data on arrivals.
Popular – more than half the public agree
Populist – more than half those above median formal education achievement disagree, while still being a subset of popular
As Alan Partridge said recently: issues like hand dryers, speed bumps and bigger fines for dog dirtying beat refugees, Syria and landmines.
All of which is why all migrants of every ethnicity and any offspring must have no voting rights of any kind for 100 years after arrival. At which time they can be checked for assimilation etc. And receive final approval to stay/vote or can be finally booted out.Backdated to 1/1/1997 in honour of Princess Toni Bliar.
That will stop and reverse the– what-5?-7? million imported Labour votes. Also remove any incentive to bring in more imports as no votes in them and will have the side effect of finishing that little cunt Sad Dick and making London up for grabs again.
If any trouble or threats etc ensue–I am sure a well-armed native militia could be put together to supress dissent or even remove traitors from this isle altogether.
Someone’s off his meds.
I’m now convinced that Mr Ecks is a Government agent-provocateur…
Why so Johnathan? You want the problem solving–there is your solution. Yeah the entire establishment etc would be against such a set of moves so I have no idea how to get started but the scheme would certainly work and would be accepted by a substantial majority in UK if it could reach take off point.
The plan is non-racist as it applies to wannabe migrants of all origins /ethnicity. The fact that it would mostly affect certain types of migrants is the lefts doing by having and importing favoured clients.
Indeed–those trying to become legitimate migrants are economically ripped off and treated shabbily in many cases by the scummy UK govt. I know of 2 cases of UK men marrying foreign women–one of the few reason genuine reasons for migration to a small island like the UK–who have been treated with a near sadistic relish by UK immigration authorities. As usual if you are “law-abiding” the state will treat you like shite. Under my plan migrants will be assessed across a century and because they can be deported for bad behaviour in that time means that the process can be more just and gentle.
I would have hoped for some constructive criticism as I am the only one above trying to set out a potential solution.
Nonsense from the torch-battery powered brain of a loser like Denise is all that can be expected. But others might have done better in criticising the plan esp as the usual hopeless glass of whinge whine is all that is set out in other comments.
Ecksy, largely because of this:
I am sure a well-armed native militia could be put together to suppress dissent or even remove traitors from this isle altogether.
It’s what’s known on the interweb as Fed Posting as it could be seen as an incitement to violence i.e likely a post by Law Enforcement in an attempt to entrap the incautious.
If part one of the plan got under weigh part 2 seems innocuous. I am not suggesting that such a body would be without official standing. They used to be called “Yeomanry” or “trained bands”. Part 1 of the plan would have to be a set of moves by the state and –if leftist violence etc should ensue–the militia would be a state enterprise also.
Lets remember that the Estab have been forced to enact the bulk of Brexit despite their hatred of the idea. In the end the best counter-action they could make stick-so far–were Bogus Johnsons attempts to sabotage it as far as he could with last minute anti-NI Deals etc.
If my plan was forced on the state the militia would be an entirely legal force. At no time did I suggest that the militia would be a private or vigilante force.
Ecks.
Fair enough. if I thought that the British Government gave a s**t about actual British people I might believe such a thing could be possible. As it is, the only officially sanctioned ‘militias’ to be unleashed will be AntiFa, UAF and BLM – against the British.
All of which is why all migrants of every ethnicity and any offspring must have no voting rights of any kind for 100 years after arrival. At which time they can be checked for assimilation etc. And receive final approval to stay/vote or can be finally booted out.
Make sure they’re easily identifiable during their 100 year wait, Ecks. You know, Star of David patch… something like that. Can’t have the darkies trying to pass themselves off as authentic British wogs, now can we?
The only thing more pathetic than you when you’re on a semi-coherent rant is you when you’re thinking you’re offering proposals that are thoughtful, rational and workable.
I am sure a well-armed native militia could be put together to suppress dissent or even remove traitors from this isle altogether.
Oh goody! What next, Ecks? Camps for the dissenters and traitors? Camps with the latest shower and oven facilities?
Christ, Richard Murphy isn’t the second coming of Rodrick Spode; you are!
If my plan was forced on the state the militia would be an entirely legal force. At no time did I suggest that the militia would be a private or vigilante force.
All you need is an Enabling Act of your very own, eh Ecks?
All that is really bothering you Denise is the “torch battery-powered brain” line. Because while your brain is sleight your ego has national grid-level power demands.
But if you are so fond of your country being taken over by Marxist-supporting little girl raping imported economic freeloaders of military age–join your missus in voting Demorat and Senile Joe will get the job done for you.
Those who want to come to the UK for a better life can still work etc. But get no chance to impose by vote the Marxist ideas of their importers on the rest of us. In 100 years they will likely be British in all but colour and that will do nicely. Otherwise goodbye.Meanwhile they wont be able to vote themselves benefits. Which will stop the majority from even showing up in the first place as they will go to soon-to-be-defunct nations with better handouts/conditions. Your neck of the woods perhaps.
Johnathon–I agree about the UK govt as is. But it could still be forced to obey as it was with Brexit. Esp as lots now know what tricky scumsters the UK state is composed of.
Those who want to come to the UK for a better life can still work etc. But get no chance to impose by vote the Marxist ideas of their importers on the rest of us. In 100 years they will likely be British in all but colour and that will do nicely. Otherwise goodbye.Meanwhile they wont be able to vote themselves benefits.
Nothing like doubling down on batshit crazy, especially given that there’s a greater the 50% chance you’re getting UC payments that you’re not telling us about.
“We called everyone a racist and ran an anti-Semite. Where did we go wrong?”