Political economist is weird

The P³ does insist that lower end wages should be higher. He backs policies which have this express intent.

Tim Martin was a massive supporter of Brexit, claiming it would be great for the UK. And now he very obviously does not think that remains the case.

He is right on this occasion, of course. Brexit offers no advantages for the UK at all. That I am aware of literally none have yet to be identified

But Martin is complaining about having to raise the low end wages of his staff – in order to gain that supply of labour. As I did point out in The Times. By cutting Britain off from that central Europe reserve army of the unemployed the service sector in the UK will have to pay higher wages. This is what Martin is complaining about.

Now that Great Polymath And Defender Of The Low Waged insists that this isn’t a good idea? That it’s not a useful justification nor advantage?

34 thoughts on “Political economist is weird”

  1. Poor working class people benefit from higher wages with less competition. This one point offers no advantages to Britain per se, but plenty to some groups. The longer term effects for these groups is open to debate – higher wages = more stability = greater success is possible, just as lower medium term growth = lower wage growth is also possible.

    Brexit clearly offered an advantage vis-a-vis Covid vaccines. And freedom to strike trade deals with others outside the EU that are more tailored to the UK, rather than a one size fits none. That the potato brain cannot see this is evidence merely of poor analytical skills.

  2. Without the EU funding City University he would not have got the title of professor. With Ritchie you always need to follow the money.

  3. Why should taxpayers subsidise (tax credits, housing benefit, free healthcare and schooling for the unfortunate kiddos, etc.) Tim Martin’s imported bar staff tho

    Mr Martin told The Daily Telegraph: “The UK has a low birth rate.

    Maybe encourage British people to get fucking instead of fucking over British people.

  4. Bloke in North Dorset

    And to think that if you pointed out free movement was depressing wages in the run up to the referendum it was flatly denied by Leavers and you got branded as a right wing, racist, bigot for your pains.

  5. From Mr.Murphy, just last Feb: “For Johnson the first objective of Brexit is to place greater controls on labour. The intention is to ensure that by controlling free movement labour itself can be controlled, and so too can its price be kept at rates the government would desire. And that is low, of course”.
    Now i’m no expert on anything, but it seems to me that after Mr Martin’s grizzle about having to pay higher wages due to the ‘controlling of the free movement of labour’ we should expect Mr. Murphy to admit he was indeed wrong regarding this and acknowledge that there are, indeed, advantages to Brexit.
    He won’t of course…..

  6. When will the Remoaners stop? From the arrogant technocrats such as Portes and Wrong Lewis to the BBC and utter morons such as Marina Hyde and Spud they all pile in with exactly the same opinions, all missing the point by several thousand miles. Do they get a centralised broadcast from somewhere? At least Orange Man is out of the picture for the moment but climate change, Brexit and Covid are still enough to excite them to hilarious ranting. Do you think the Govt will create a “Punch a moaner” movement? I might be tempted to join

  7. “Brexit offers no advantages for the UK at all. That I am aware of literally none have yet to be identified”

    Apart from the real and obvious advantages that the rotund Potato simply refuses to see out of blind rage at the “far right”, a very considerable advantage of Brexit is the apoplexy it has caused amongst a good number of journos and the chattering and blogging comfortably-off middle classes, such as Murphy.

  8. Tim Martin operates at the budget end of the market

    If he cannot persuade slothful Brits to leave their PlayStation and universal credit funded lives he has to

    Reduce costs, cue outrage
    Reduce staff,cue outrage
    Increase prices, cue outrage
    Close pubs, cue outrage

    Seek immigrant labour, cue outrage

    All I can see us that he’s arguing for a sensible immigration strategy that will include lowpaid or lowqualified workers on work visas where there is a shortage of local applicants , presumably because they prefer being social media influencers or tiktok megastars

    Not inconsistent with brexit and consistent with the way we dealt with migrant labour for decades before we joined the EU

  9. @ Steve:

    Maybe encourage British people to get fucking instead of fucking over British people.

    +100

    Let’s be honest though, instead of raising wages for Brits they’ll just bring in more Africans and Asians to: “Do The Jobs The British Won’t Do!”.

  10. Brexit offers no advantages for the UK at all. That I am aware of, literally none have yet to be identified.

    Actually, by using the simple trick of changing ‘Brexit’ into ‘Non-White immigration’, Spud’s statement can be made completely true!

  11. “All I can see us that he’s arguing for a sensible immigration strategy that will include lowpaid or lowqualified workers on work visas where there is a shortage of local applicants , presumably because they prefer being social media influencers or tiktok megastars”

    It doesn’t matter how they come, on a work visa or via a boat, the fact remains that they never leave. Somehow they all end up staying. ‘uman right to family life innit? (I’m quoting a High Court judge there). So if you allow loads in on work visas you’re just allowing them in full stop. You’ll never get rid of them when the visa ends, either legally or illegally they’ll end up staying.

  12. Jim, possibly correct, but I’d like to think that they must have demonstrated some ability to do something constructive to the suit in charge of issuing the work permit in the first place.

    As opposed to those who have only demonstrated the ability to pay a people trafficker the requisite number of beer tokens for them to be put in a dinghy to await the arrival of the French Coast Guard (motto: service de réduction des migrants sur le sol français en les escortant en grande-bretagne).

  13. Incidentally, the post war history of the UK shows that every time it comes up against the whole labour market wage pressure problem it attempts to solve it by importing cheap labour, which just causes more problems further down the pike. Half the problems the UK faces today are down to the consequences of that cheap fix solution. For once how about taking our medicine and apply some technology to the problem instead of brute muscle power? After all its how the Germans used to do it until Angela fancied a bit of young Middle Eastern d*ck.

  14. What you’re saying, Jim, is increase productivity. And one of the benefits of using tech to increase productivity might be to make some of those jobs more attractive to do & get some of the long term unemployed off of bennies

  15. No matter how much we all get fucking, that won’t create any extra bar staff* for over 18 years.

    * not if you want them to serve drinks, anyway. But you get my drift, squire.

  16. “Mr Martin told The Daily Telegraph: “The UK has a low birth rate.
    Maybe encourage British people to get fucking instead of fucking over British people.”

    Why is a low birth rate a problem? A smaller population needs a smaller “population” of workers, but a smaller population automatically has a smaller sub-population of workers. If – say – a population needs 1% to be plumbers, a population of 50 million will have 0.5m plumbers, a population of 10 million will have 0.1m plumbers. There seems to be a built-in assumption that 50 million people need 0.5m plumbers and 10 million people also need 0.5m plumbers.

  17. @Jgh

    You’re ignoring the retired. The projection in the UK is for the ratio of old people to rise. Certainly the boom in migration has kept the ratio of retired to workers stable:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/ageing/articles/howwouldyousupportourageingpopulation/2019-06-24

    It’s very clear reading the ONS site that Whitehall has already decided migration is (an) answer.

    What the Uk should do, is invest in human and physical capital to increase productivity.

  18. Ducky McDuckface

    Maybe encourage British people to get fucking instead of fucking over British people.

    To be fair, he is one of Great Britain’s finest purveyors of beer goggles.

  19. Ken – I see the ONS is using the exact same logic as Ponzi schemes do

    Ducky – point!

    jgh – it’s a problem for politicians if they can’t juice GDP figures to make the welfare state look solvent while they’re in office. Doubly a problem if their real constituents (donors) don’t get that sweet taxpayer subsidised labour.

    Chris – And to think patriotic North Korean children are working down mines while our lazy kids waste time playing Minecraft

    Jonathan, Jim – we’re simultaneously told that jobs are all going to be automated away… BUT we “need” semi-retarded goat botherers to do jobs that Brits won’t do (for minimum wage).

    The “climate crisis” is going to kill us all and we need to make massive reductions to CO2… BUT let’s turn London into Megacity One and set up taxpayer subsidised Afghan colonies in Scotland to… uh… pay our pensions?

    Yours in lions,

    Etc.

  20. @Steve

    Yes, if one follows the logic of the ONS, you need to keep building the pyramid. To be fair to them, you can also reduce the period that people are retired by raising the retirement age. What would be more sensible is to increase the productivity of the population so that their taxes can support the higher burden. in reality the UK needs to reduce non-EEA migration, which is a net cost to the exchequer and is probably reducing the future productivity of the native population (because it’s consuming resources that could spent on upgrading human and physical capital).

    See figure 1. Page 4.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759376/The_Fiscal_Impact_of_Immigration_on_the_UK.pdf

    Imagine if all the money spent on London schools over the past two decades had been spent elsewhere. Most estimates of the cost of migration underestimate the cost because it allocates education costs on a per capita pro-rata basis. But because migration has been high to London, which is expensive, and because Asian and African migrants tend to be poor and be ESL, the resources going to them has been disproportionately high.

  21. Paul Michael Jones of Wales

    The Tories do not represent the UK.
    20 of the Labour shadow cabinet represent non London constituencies.
    While just 7 of the Tory cabinet represent any seat in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Midlands, or the North of England.
    Tim Martin should speak for ordinary Brits and join Labour.
    The EU is good for ordinary Brits.

  22. @PMJ of Wales

    Your comparison is odd.
    20 Labour shadow ministers represent non London seats, 6 do
    20 Conservative ministers represent non London seats, 1 does

    NI has no representation in either.
    Wales has 3 shadow, 1 cabinet
    Scotland has 1 shadow, 1 cabinet
    Midlands has 2 shadow, 1 cabinet
    SW has 0 shadow, 2 cabinet

  23. Paul Michael Jones of Wales

    Ken.
    There is no shame in representing London. But the idea Labour only cares about London is shown to be nonsense by my stats. 20 of the Labour shadow cabinet represent non-London seats.
    Plus I notice you ignore Northern England from your comparison stats. Hmm I wonder why.
    The idea the Tories care for Northern England is utter nonsense.
    We all know working class Northern English people will be asked to enter Tory mansions by the trades man’s entrance rather the front door. LOL.
    Plus Boris Johnson was born in the USA, while Starmer was born in the UK.
    The USA bans foreign born people being their President.

  24. PMJ=Another fuckwit socialist troll.

    Considering that the scum of socialism have so far murdered 150 million people they can stuff their “care” up their evil arseholes.

    We have seen their “care” in their scum-sucking MPs voting with Bogus Johnson for cod virus/vax bullshit while demanding even worse tyranny.

  25. Bloke in North Dorset

    PMJ of Wales,

    The problem with your argument is that both main parties are full of carpetbaggers, New Labour In particular specialised in it:

    Mandelson in Hartlepool, Blair in Sedgfield, Ed Miliband in Doncaster North and Ed Balls in Morley & Outwood, to name some. Come to think of it that was probably the start of the beginning of Labour’s Red Wall problems.

    The Tories are just as bad, Johnson in Uxbridge.

  26. PMJ of Wales, So what if Boris was born in the US? Keannu Reaves was born in Beirut. Is he Lebanese?

  27. Paul Michael Jones

    Mr Ecks You are the troll. You insult me for disagreeing you. You are a creep, for insulting me like that. I do not know what is wrong with you. You must be very unhappy. Don’t take out your problems on me.
    Plus the right have killed many people too. The British Empire killed up to 100 million in famines, war and slavery including 2 million Irish people in the potato famine.
    Imperial Germany, Imperial China and the Spanish empire killed many millions.
    The NAZIs killed 6 million Jews. The NAZIs were right wing, because they killed off their left on the night of long knives and supported Franco in the Spanish Civil War.

    Bloke In Dorset. Blair was born in Scotland. Ed Balls was born in Norwich.
    Mandelson and Miliband care about ordinary working class people.

  28. @PMJ…

    Mandelson and Miliband care about ordinary working class people.

    If you really believe that, I have an absolutely lovely bridge that you might like to buy.

    (or you’re utterly delusional).

  29. Paul Michael Jones

    Henry Crun – It is creepy for a so called grown man to hate school girls. Why do you use school girls as an insult? That is creepy and sexist. Grow up.

  30. “Plus the right have killed many people too. The British Empire killed up to 100 million in famines, war and slavery including 2 million Irish people in the potato famine.”

    Yes but no-one is calling for the British Empire to be recreated are they, or indeed for the RoI to be invaded and reabsorbed into the UK.

    Whereas socialists today still want to have another go at making socialism work, ignoring the pile of skulls a mile high it created in the 20th century, and still continues to create in various places today. Anyone advocating socialism today is identical to anyone advocating Nazism – promoting a political system that is steeped in blood. And to be frank should be tarred and feathered and run out of town, which would be a lot kinder fate than befell the victims of socialism.

  31. The British Empire killed up to 100 million in famines, war and slavery

    Citation needed, as they say on wokeipedia

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