Race matters

I think that paper looks pretty good,” says Sir John. “We haven’t seen a big problem with blood clots in Latin America, in southeast Asia, and we haven’t seen a lot of blood clots in Africa.

“There is an interesting question over whether there’s a differential liability to blood clots in Northern European Caucasian people in Norway, where they first appeared, as compared to everyone else.”

OK, so it’s some subset of genes prevalent in a population, not actually race. But as it runs out with cystic fibrosis, sickle cell and so on, that concept does actually matter. So too with Vitamin D in high latitudes and so on.

The trick is in working out when such things – as with gender etc – don’t matter and when they do. An adamant insistence – either way, that we must measure by race, or we must not – isn’t a reflection of reality.

17 thoughts on “Race matters”

  1. So there’s a lot of concerning reports (mostly denied as Crazy Conspiracy Theories) about people collapsing, dying, or otherwise getting sick after being vaccinated. None of the jabs seem to be entirely “safe”, and their efficacy seems questionable.

    One of the most disturbing reports this week is about a young lady in America who had both Pfizer jabs, then caught Covid, got blood clots, nearly died, and is facing the rest of her life as a paraplegic:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9826739/Minnesota-woman-legs-AMPUTATED-contracting-COVID-19-days-receiving-vaccine.html

    So, David Icke hat on here…

    In the darkest days of the coronavirus crisis, Emmanuel Macron took to the media circuit with a scathing attack on the world’s cheapest Covid vaccine – and the only one to be produced at cost

    What if there’s a connection? Pfizer seems to have escaped even a whisper of criticism from official channels, and they’re coining it in.

    Btw, curious how all those videos of Chinee people collapsing in the streets in early 2020 – which did so much to spread panic across the West – were never replicated anywhere else in the world, and curiouser that the Biden regime suddenly started talking about investigating the origins of this bug a couple of weeks ago, then just as suddenly stopped mentioning it. Nobody in the media seems to be curious tho.

    Steve generally subscribes to cockup theories rather than conspiracies, but this whole thing is getting increasingly fucking weird. Can you dig it?

  2. What’s weird is that Steve is referring to himself in the third person. Andrew finds that worrying.

  3. Bloke in North Korea (Germany province)

    There are well established differential risks of thrombosis in different populations, even some prominent north-south gradients in Europe, in some cases with identified genetic causes.

    This problem came to light through clotting in the veins in the brain, which is vanishingly rare, so grabbed attention. There’s no reason to think that is the only site, probably a lot of common or garden thromboses are going entirely missed, or the association to vaccination is not being spotted. Even large numbers could quite easily go missing in the background epidemiological noise – after all even in countries where there was established excess death during the pandemic (US), we haven’t really noticed all those missing people.

    It’s hard even for specialists to keep up with this and to separate signal from the deafening noise (especially as much of the signal gets censored). In hindsight I guess it isn’t a massive surprise that programming your endothelial cells to create proteins that the immune system attacks can result in blood clots.

  4. Andrew – Steve went on a trip to a remote Antarctic research station and everything is perfectly normal. Please tell us where the other fellow humans usually hide.

  5. ‘… blood clots in Latin America, in southeast Asia, and we haven’t seen a lot of blood clots in Africa…

    Ah yes, all places with well developed medical care, just like Europe & USA. There is an evident case of under-reporting of adverse reaction in Europe & USA, but we are to believe reporting is much better in undeveloped areas.

    It is also the case that far fewer doses of vaccine have been administered in these areas therefore probability of adverse reactions is going to be lower.

  6. Should I point out again that the people that did get a clotting problem from the vaccine would have gotten the same problem, or worse, if they’d been hit by the live virus?

    The vaccine isn’t the problem, the reaction of those people to the spike protein is. Regardless of the way that protein was introduced.

    The fun bit is that neither the Medical Establishment, the Media ( of all flavours) , or the Politicians involved got that simple message out. For none of the vaccinations ( who each have their Problems in the 1:1000000 regions…) , not just the AstraZenica shot.
    Then again.. I can see neither of those groups admit that they may have hit the Panic Button too hard, too soon.
    Or have vested interests to continue firmly pressing it.. Scare stories sell better, after all.. And there’s Profit™ to be made..

  7. Grikath,

    “Should I point out again that the people that did get a clotting problem from the vaccine would have gotten the same problem, or worse, if they’d been hit by the live virus?”

    I know you rightly qualify it by saying “if”, but I frequently see others using this statement to say that “obviously everything is much safer if you take it”

    For it to become vascular, isn’t there a sequence of events that has to happen first? Nose, throat, then lung, etc, before it might get to vascular? Assuming that one even gets to Base 1. The evidence might suggest that not that many even get to Base 1 (ie, any form of sort of symptomatic).

    Whereas with a mass vaccination program, we’ve upped that chance considerably. And we do know that the Yellow Card system (like VAERS in the US) is largely under-reported (probably an order of magnitude, and probably more for things not so easily identified). And I counted those zeroes; no way, even the reported events are far, far higher than that..:)

    Then take into account health and age stratification…

  8. “The vaccine isn’t the problem, the reaction of those people to the spike protein is. Regardless of the way that protein was introduced.”

    If thats the case surely we should have seen an unusual amount of people getting the rare brain blood clots in 2020 when there was no vaccine, but people were getting covid infections naturally? Indeed I’ve seen stats showing that the risk to young people of taking the vaccine is greater than catching covid. How can that be if as you suggest those getting blood clots after vaccine would have exactly the same problem from a natural infection?

  9. PF, Jim

    Let’s refer to what the US-ian NIH has to say about it..
    And note the distinction they make between cases that need to be hospitalised, and the cases that shake it off/sick it out at home.
    And also note that for severe CoVid infections venous thrombosis is considered a complication that is standard enough to rate prophilactic anti-thromboid medication. ( happens often enough to have them use anti-clot meds just in case, for non-medico’s ).

    Note that venous thrombosis is the nastier kind, because the clots will travel “up” through the heart through ever widening pipes, and can end up anywhere from there until they get stuck in the ever smaller arteries. They’re tiny, but they slowly “silt up” the entire system.
    Guess what is a prime suspect for the cause of “long CoVid”?

    It’s not so much “dying of rare brain clots”, but rather of developing clots, period, which then hit the only system in an otherwise healthy body that could shut it down permanently.
    Which is in line with the small but detectible number of spontaneous heart attacks after vaccination and “natural” CoVid infections.. But we can handle those, as opposed to brain strokes.
    And then there’s the much-Media’d cases where “otherwise healthy” people caught CoVid and “dropped dead” with either heart attacks or brain strokes in the onset of the epidemic..
    At least to me, this is a clear case of cause-effect befuddlement. Where quite a few “at risk” cases already copped it during the first/second wave.

    It’s possible the people who drew the short straw in the vaccination circus might have been better off if they just ran into the virus “naturally”.
    But the data to date points to the harsh fact that people who are unlucky enough to have serious adverse reactions to the virus, however unexpected, will develop those reactions under even mild virus loads.
    And it’s a solid fact the amount of spike protein produced after a vaccination is minimal and far below the amount produced by even a “just a sniffle” infection. There’s a solid scientific reason for that second reinforcement jab for the RNA type vaccinations.
    So it’s highly likely “natural exposure” would have had the same end result for those people.

  10. Bloke in North Dorset

    Grikath,

    That’s quite well explained having had a look at the NIH site, I think :).

    So what do you think of the early advice that we shouldn’t take blood thinners like aspirin?

    When I did a first aid course aimed at being on a golf course we were advised to carry aspirin as heart attacks are relatively common and if we can we should get the casualty to take one, assuming it’s not massive and they’ve just dropped dead.

    I still carry them to self administer if I’m in the process of having a having a heart attack

    Everything you say points to starting to take aspirin as a prophylactic

  11. “So it’s highly likely “natural exposure” would have had the same end result for those people.”

    Well doesn’t that just torpedo the argument for vaccination then? If the people at most risk are a specific fixed subset of the population (determined by factors as yet unknown) and they are equally likely to die if they get the virus naturally or get the spike protein via vaccination, then whats the point of vaccinating everyone? The at risk are equally at risk from vaccination or natural infection, and the not at risk are equally not at risk from both scenarios. What good can vaccination do in such a scenario?

  12. @BiND Prophylactic use of anything is best discussed with ones’ GP/MD.
    Other than the point that if you haven’t got clogged vessels to begin with, blood thinners, including aspirin, are more dangerous than beneficial in the long run.

    I think the early advice against taking aspirin was not as much about it being a blood thinner, but rather because the stuff is also anti-inflammatory. It supresses the general malaise you get when you start falling ill, making you notice Something’s Up much later when any infection has already taken root.
    At the time when we did not have easy tests and relied heavily on “Stay Home if you feel Off” suppressing early signs is… not exactly a good idea.

    @Jim Extreme cases do not the norm make….
    For 99.9+ percent of people the vaccines do exactly what they’re supposed to do: give basic protection that allows people to sniff a bug or two and build up a decent “natural” defense ( including future variants ) without falling ill.
    The risks of the CoVid vaccines are exactly the same as any other vaccination program. But there’s no money to be made by the Media hyping the risks of flu shots or the basic kiddie vaccinations. So you hardly ever hear of those..

  13. Grikath

    @BiND Prophylactic use of anything is best discussed with ones’ GP/MD.

    In the UK, all GPs are centrally “advised” from above…. (To be clear: If treatments, prophylactic or otherwise, and that were acknowledged to work, there was no basis on which temporary (ie emergency use) licences could have been issued. Do the maths as they say.)

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