Well, could be I suppose

Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.

The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.

They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.

Russia’s three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin’s signature.

By this point Trump was the frontrunner in the Republican party’s nomination race. A report prepared by Putin’s expert department recommended Moscow use “all possible force” to ensure a Trump victory.

Western intelligence agencies are understood to have been aware of the documents for some months and to have carefully examined them. The papers, seen by the Guardian, seem to represent a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin.

I tend to think of it as one of those terribly convenient leaks but there we are. Who am I to question the narrative?

But here’s the actually interesting question. This is different from the US choosing sides in Yeltsin v Zyuganov how?

26 thoughts on “Well, could be I suppose”

  1. If true, sounds like Putin’s a shrewd guy. Trump was elected & the US did have social turmoil. Question is, why cant the West produce leaders like Putin instead of the ineffectual cretins it does?

  2. A quick glance at the NYT, CNN and MSNBC front pages shows no mention of this story. I wonder why not – unless they already know it’s shyte.

  3. bis
    Because we want ineffectual cretins in the corridors of power. Having a leader who actually did something would upset half the population.

  4. The Russkis are already on record as believing that Trump couldn’t win. They had to tipp-ex out Hillary’s name on their congratulation cards.

  5. bloke in spain,

    Largely, I think, because the politicians have little power in the West.

    If you run a petrostate (and Russia is largely a petrostate), gaining power brings great rewards. You carve up the oil money with your pals. So, you’ve got to be tough and smart because someone else really wants to take that job.

    How many smart, ambitious people want to be UK politicians, as opposed to building a startup or working in a hedge fund? Earning a lower salary and spending your time on total wank about racism against footballers, or the amount that pop stars get from streaming, or talking tough about migration while delivering nothing, or voting for shit like HS2, or talking about “net zero by 2050” as if that’s going to happen.

  6. I wonder why people feel that the Russians are so effective at influencing US elections and can do what countless millions spent by the candidates and their parties can’t.

  7. Why do we assume Putin wanted Trump to win?
    If they really wanted a useless Hillary in power, supporting an “unelectable “ Trump would be the way to go. Unite the opposition behind a poor candidate.
    Four years later it worked.

  8. Funny that this is coming out after the infamous dossier has been proved entirely fabricated.
    And why pray would Putin want America to have energy independence? Why would he want Ukraine armed?
    If this is true then Putin backed the wrong horse!
    More likely is that the G hasn’t figured out that intelligence services leak information that serves their own purposes, rather than informs the public.

  9. Obvious bollocks, but ED asks a good question:

    Why do we assume Putin wanted Trump to win?

    The answer is a two parter:

    1) Russia has been the designated bogey man for the American regime and its satraps since circa 2004-ish. The official story is insincere bullshit about gay rights, democracy, yadda yadda. Reality is they don’t want to be a client state of Washington DC and actively resisted CIA colour revolutions, NGO fuckery, and similar shenanigans.

    2) Putin, being a rational actor, probably did prefer the US presidential candidate who was less likely to start a war against his country and/or escalate the war against his main ally in the Middle East.

  10. ‘Appear to show’. ‘Documents suggest’. Obviously made from whole cloth, whatever that is.

  11. It’s crazy to think that Russia has anything like this amount of power. The U.S. is divided on race, and in theory foreign agents could attempt to draw attention to the problem. This would (in theory) leave America focused on domestic problems and leaving Russia/China to act with impunity in the rest of the world.

    In practice, as we’ve seen, America is quite capable of tearing itself apart. No outside influence required.

  12. “@BoM4
    And yet each election has many applicants for each post.”

    Dianne Abbott.

    It’s a well paid sinecure for those unable to stack shelves.

  13. ‘In practice, as we’ve seen, America is quite capable of tearing itself apart. No outside
    influence required.’

    I do agree, Andrew M.

  14. Dennis, One of Joe's Neanderthals

    That sound you heard yesterday was muffled laughter coming from the States. This “leak” is years past its sell date, and has been treated as such. Oh sure, CNN and MSNBC will run with it, but with their ratings, whatever they say will be, in effect, a closely guarded secret.

    If nothing else, what the leak indicates is that the political establishment and their allies in corporate media are coming to the realization that Donald Trump is going to run again, and given the performance of Biden and Harris to date, and that he will win handily when he does.

  15. Dennis, Trump only has a chance if the ection fuckery is reversed.

    Seeing as Biden and Co are threatening the states with the bent Feebs and the corrupt DoJ, not to mention the election legislation they’re pushing, whether this happens is very much up in the air.

  16. Trump only has a chance if the election fuckery is reversed.

    Yep:

    STUNNING in race decided by 10,457 votes

    3,981 voted despite registered AFTER Oct 15 deadline

    11,326 voted who were NOT on rolls on Nov 7 but WERE on Dec 4

    18,000 voted and then were removed from rolls AFTER election

    74,243 mail-in ballots w/ NO evidence of ever being sent

    https://twitter.com/realLizUSA/status/1415747421267714050

  17. @Dennis
    I seem to recall you making the same prediction about 2020 and writing off any concerns about election rigging.

  18. Dennis

    Given they switched/ manufactured large numbers of votes to stop him last time what makes you think they won’t do exactly the same next time?

  19. This is different from the US choosing sides in Yeltsin v Zyuganov how?

    We’re the good guys, its *different* when we do it!!11!

    I remember back when Bush the Younger was in office and he was all talking about ‘pre-emptive defense’ for why we needed to invade Iraq and get all those WMD’s and suddenly everyone freaked out when India started talking about pre-emptive defense in regards to Pakistan.

  20. They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives…

    Putin’s overwhelming strategic objective was to become the natural gas supplier to Europe; it gives him reliable hard-currency cash flow, and wonderful leverage against the west. Trump campaigned against Nordstream, and was the only western leader who argued against it. Trump was, if not the worst outcome for Putin, certainly not a good one. The ‘social turmoil’ in the US is a ‘nice to have’ for Putin – and was probably going to arise no matter who was President, although the media did their best to make it worse following Hillary’s “unexpected” defeat.

  21. July 16, 2021 at 7:49 am

    If true, sounds like Putin’s a shrewd guy. Trump was elected & the US did have social turmoil. Question is, why cant the West produce leaders like Putin instead of the ineffectual cretins it does?

    Our guys don’t have to murder their way to the top. When you’re playing a game with no second place, the guy in first place tends to be really, really good at it.

    The other half of the problem is treating these people like ‘leaders’. They’re not leaders. They’re people who are picked to handle some administrative functions for the nation. Thinking of them as leaders has got *them* thinking they’re leaders – and these narcissists hate it when we don’t do what they tell us to do.

  22. ‘Putin’s overwhelming strategic objective was to become the natural gas supplier to Europe; it gives him reliable hard-currency cash flow, and wonderful leverage against the west.’

    I’d agree, dcardno. Of course that assumes he thinks like me!!

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