What a terrible surprise

More than half of Covid hospitalisations are patients who only tested positive after admission, leaked data reveal.

The figures suggest vast numbers are being classed as hospitalised by Covid when they were admitted with other ailments, with the virus picked up by routine testing.

Experts said it meant the national statistics, published daily on the government website and frequently referred to by ministers, may far overstate the levels of pressures on the NHS.

The leaked data – covering all NHS trusts in England – show that, as of last Thursday, just 44 per cent of patients classed as being hospitalised with Covid had tested positive by the time they were admitted.

The majority of cases were not detected until patients underwent standard Covid tests, carried out on everyone admitted to hospital for any reason.

Overall, 56 per cent of Covid hospitalisations fell into this category, the data, seen by The Telegraph, show.

Now some of those will be, obviously, those suffering from Covid but not known to be at time of admission. As in suffering meaning the reason they were being admitted. Some other will not be. They’ll be people who have – just to have an example – a broken leg, this is the reason for admission and the Covid is purely a byblow.

Then, of course, there will be those who catch it while in there.

Be useful to know the relevant numbers, wouldn’t it?

32 thoughts on “What a terrible surprise”

  1. The NHS will now be overwhelmed by patients who have been too scared to go near a hospital, or have been unable to see their shyster GPs.

    Also good chance of a major ‘flu season, hitting the vaxxed with their damaged immune systems especially hard. Will be the fault of the unvaxxed and those not wearing masks, of course.

  2. I know three people who have died of Bat Flu. They all caught it in hospital. Two were patients one was visiting, but the incubation period matches his visits exactly.

    I laugh at figures of 50%.

  3. So rather than the people needing to protect the NHS, it appears the people need protecting from the NHS……………

  4. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9829585/Ministers-plead-calm-Covid-cases-fall-SIX-DAYS-running.html

    “Experts have suggested that high numbers of young people catching the disease during the Euros could have helped to squash the latest peak, as they now have some immunity and otherwise may not have been vaccinated.”

    Oh – surprise, surprise. Lots of young people mixing results in lots of harmless infections that add to herd immunity.

    “A lot of people might be disgusted by me saying this, but ultimately the Euros might turn out to be one of the things that make the rest of the summer less stressful, as we’ve effectively immunised a lot more younger people who wouldn’t otherwise have come for or been available for a vaccine,’ he told The Times. ‘But I would stress that I would never suggest that as a control strategy in advance.”

    Why the fuck not, you moron? You’ve vaccinated the vulnerable, let the rest get on with it.

    “We know that there is a high prevalence amongst those age groups, we want them to get vaccinated and we will be communicating the hell out of that. Anything you can do to help us, parents, grandparents, friends, whatever it might be to urge young people to go out there and get jabbed will be fantastic.”

    The only reason to vaccinate anyone beyond the vulnerable is to reduce resistance to vaccine passports.

    Vaccine passports = digital ID = social credit system.

    Not been good boys and girls? No higher education for you:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9825487/University-students-double-jabbed-attend-lectures.html

    Tory MP Robert Halfon, chairman of the education select committee, told the newspaper: ‘This is wrongheaded. ‘It’s like something out of Huxley’s Brave New World where people with vaccine passports will be engineered into social hierarchies – those who will be given higher education or those who do not.’

    Yup, that’s the idea of social credit systems.

    The Prime Minister is said to be ‘raging’ about the low numbers of young people coming forward to get the jab and hopes the move pressures them to come forward . . .
    Mr Johnson suggested all students — apart from those with medical conditions that stop them getting jabbed — should be forced to get vaccinated.

    Cunt, cunt, cunt. There aren’t enough uses of “cunt” for the useless cunt.

    (sorry, not sorry, for the rant)

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    As someone posted on here a while back, being infected is far batter than vaccinations for long term immunity. Not only that, those who have been infected don’t appear to be spreaders in the extremely unlikely event that they get re-infected.

    This is some good analysis of what happened with the football tournament and Covid transmission – mostly amongst men.

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1419912847795146760?s=20

    As to hospital testing, you men in particular are more prone to waiting until they’re really ill before seeking help, by which time they’re probably going straight to hospital and the first thing that happens is they are tested.

    What we need to know is how many of those testing PCR positive in hospital had symptoms and how many were just routine tests that picked up some virus? AFAIAA they are still using a PCR Ct > 35 whereas anything above 28 can’t be cultured in to infection.

  6. In the States we know that the tests over-amplify traces of the virus and that anyone dying with Kung Flu is classified as death because of Kung Flu. And we’re supposed to take their numbers seriously.

  7. So, in the other half of ‘cases’ the NHS knows from a positive test that you have the virus at some level but will not do a damn thing about it until you get really ill. There are treatments but even that knowledge must be suppressed to protect..who or what?

    (This comment only to check whether there is anyone from the rapid rebuttal unit watching this blog. It’s a measure of Tim’s influence.)

  8. Jim and rhoda have hit the nail on the head – I have tried (and hope to continue) to keep out of the clutches of the NHS. Why will the powers that be not allow the use of Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine to treat people, r

  9. There are at least 18 drugs shown to be effective in treating covid.
    From the Jerusalem Post
    “Arkin and his team culled through a library of more than 2,800 approved-for-use compounds, identifying 18 drugs they felt could be effective. In unpublished work, the researchers were able to show that several of these compounds “exhibited remarkable potency against the whole virus in in vitro experiments.”

    Two of them are Darapladib, used for the treatment of atherosclerosis, and Flumatinib, used for the treatment of certain blood cancers.” 

    I wonder if some of them are used? It seems idiotic to give approval to a new drug to inject healthy people, and not to approve existing drugs which are known to be safe for a new purpose to treat people at death’s door.

  10. “I wonder if some of them are used? It seems idiotic to give approval to a new drug to inject healthy people, and not to approve existing drugs which are known to be safe for a new purpose to treat people at death’s door.”

    And people wonder why conspiracy theories abound. When the decision making process by the authorities is so at odds to the facts and contrary to all logical thought, its hardly surprising when people conclude that they they have a hidden agenda they are working towards.

    What other conclusions are possible? That the authorities are so mind numbingly stupid that they cannot see beyond their noses? Possible I suppose, but globally? In every country everywhere at precisely the same time? Nope that doesn’t pass the smell test.

    The other conclusion is that they are privy to information we are not and that is so scary we cannot be told. I find this unlikely, because governments leak like sieves, and anyway are desperate to scare the population to death to get them to do what they want anyway, so if there was some scary facts out there you can bet your bottom dollar they’d be being wheeled out and plastered across every media outlet possible.

    No, the most logical conclusion one can come to is that the global authorities are working towards some hidden agenda. Its the only conclusion that explains the facts. It explains the vitriol thrown at any country that dares to go against the lockdown/vaccine plan. It explains the vitriol thrown at any non-vaccine treatment of the virus. Why should the government of country A care what country B does in response to a pandemic? If you thought that another country was going down the wrong route that would result in extra deaths why would you care too much? Thats the for other country to work out for itself. Its actually advantageous to you if your competitors want to hamstring themselves. You’d only care if your plan of action wasn’t the optimum one for covid treatment, but was designed for other malign purposes, and you don’t want an example being made by someone else that shows you up.

    We live in scary times.

  11. The Meissen Bison

    @Ian J – My GP refused to prescribe ivermectin but I’ve managed to order some online which is a veterinary product (for dogs rather than bison) in the form of 3mg ivermectin pills of Ukraine origin.

    I shall have a good read of the exact composition when the pills arrive but it is absolutely scandalous that one needs to go to these lengths to obtain an effective treatment to have to hand in case of need.

  12. Lancet, July 1st 2021

    Interpretation
    Early administration of inhaled budesonide reduced the likelihood of needing urgent medical care and reduced time to recovery after early COVID-19.

    That is an ordinary inhaled corticosteroid, commonly supplied to Asthma sufferers. Just one of a number of medications which could easily be given to those who test +ve to take at home. But although this trial is a confirmation of an effect known for at least a year, still they don’t prescribe it.

    I repeat, because it makes me so annoyed, they know you have it and they miss the best opportunity to treat it and send you home to get sicker. And/or die.

  13. The times aren’t scary Jim.

    They are our portion of the battle against Evil. Just as our fathers/grandfathers had WW1 and WW2 as their portion.

    We have had easy and cozy lives up to now. Now we must stop Bogus Johnson and his globo mates from turning UK into a CCP-style papers citizen shithole.

    And that is only a halfway house to the greenfreak ruin he has planned. UK becoming an open air jail is the only way that crap can be forced on us.

    So we must fight.

    Also most of the PCR etc tests are false positives.Of those in hosp the vast maj of false pos testees are not infected with C19 at all. Just false numbers used to boost fear. Many of those in hosp are “backlog” people who have waited far too long and some of them will die from what is really wrong with them. But with a false positive PCR etc test they will be claimed as con-vid victims to further terrify the hard of thinking.

    And now we learn that as I predicted last May Blojob J added the flu figs to the con-vid last winter to boost the fear again. Using the excuse that the shite test cant tell them apart.

    Still holding out for bungling BiS? That gets less credible every day.

  14. In the Joe Rogan podcast, Dr. Kory explains that Ivermectin is out of patent and can be manufactured as a generic drug for less that $1 per dose. Biden announces that US Govt will fund the pharma industry to the tune of $3bn to come up with a cure for Covid-19. Why use a drug that is readily available when the govt are prepared to line your pockets?

  15. Tess Lawrie is also well worth listening to on ivermectin. Some good YouTube interviews (surprisingly) with Dr John Campbell, who manages to steer the line close enough to avoid having his channel shut down.

  16. @Rhoda, MB etc
    One can see why the PTB might have been a bit reluctant about treatments might alleviate the symptoms of Covid. Treating the symptoms doesn’t reduce the transmission possibilities. You’re going to have more people with the virus mixing in the general population. And if you’re trying to use fear as an incentive to comply with government instructions, a “cure” isn’t the sort of thing you want talked about. So it gets shut down.
    But I don’t buy into much of this conspiracy theorising. Doesn’t chime with the way I think people operate. Most (I’d say all) people are motivated by what they perceive as being in their best personal interests. The people get to make the decisions get to be in that position by doing exactly this. It’s the method by which we select them. At this point they’re at the peak of their powers & most interested in preserving their positions. They’re certainly not interested in New World Order utopias/distopias (well meaning or not) because they won’t be around to enjoy them. Everything’s driven by fairly short term aims. Doesn’t mean you can’t stumble in that direction. There’s those on the greasy pole below see personal interest in pushing for them. But the gains come from the implementation, not the results. They’re not going to care about the results.

  17. BiS

    So you think that all the world’s major leaders implementing the same wrong, indeed near-insane policies is just a coincidence ?

  18. Ottokring

    I think they’re just ignorant swine who copy each other from fear of being out of step.

    There’s not a one of them with an ounce of spine nor a smidgeon of giving a shit about what’s good for ‘people’. Just what avoids a particular class of pain and misery for them at the moment.

    That is, no, it’s not coincidence in the usual sense. It’s CYA.
    It’s not likely to be a cunning global conspiracy. They’re not capable of it.

    Had to be said that Boris showed minor signs of both at the beginning of the panpanic, but swiftly succumbed after his amazingly convenient infection.

  19. When wondering about the motivations of our ‘leaders/rulers whatever’ it often seems that they are far more interested in looking like one of the in-crowd when they all meet at a summit or funeral than looking as if they give a toss about their own electorates. Are they merely conforming to a code of behaviour that we don’t understand? Or is it really a conspiracy of conspiring cunts? And how would we tell? If it looks sufficiently like a conspiracy it might as well be one.

  20. Jim,

    ” Its actually advantageous to you if your competitors want to hamstring themselves.” Not really, if you trade with that country. Better for your business if your customer is rich, no?

    I think that we are all privy to the “scary” information – financial systems close to collapse due to the collosal levels of debt.

    Indian pharmacies could be a good source for the ivermectin. My stock is in boxes of 4x3mg. That is a daily dose for an adult of ~ 70kg. IANAD, but contraindicated for pregnant women or those with liver problems. My doctor here in Lux refused to prescribe HCQ ( there’s clearly been a “verboten!” memo ) but agreed to the ivermectin.

  21. “But I don’t buy into much of this conspiracy theorising. Doesn’t chime with the way I think people operate. Most (I’d say all) people are motivated by what they perceive as being in their best personal interests. The people get to make the decisions get to be in that position by doing exactly this. It’s the method by which we select them. At this point they’re at the peak of their powers & most interested in preserving their positions. They’re certainly not interested in New World Order utopias/distopias (well meaning or not) because they won’t be around to enjoy them. Everything’s driven by fairly short term aims. Doesn’t mean you can’t stumble in that direction. There’s those on the greasy pole below see personal interest in pushing for them. But the gains come from the implementation, not the results. They’re not going to care about the results.”

    I’d buy that apart from one thing – why the co-ordinated attacks on anyone doing things differently? Why was Sweden a pariah state all of a sudden? Why the invective aimed at US States with Republican governors who refused to bring in harsh lock downs and opened up again as soon as possible? Why the drive to shut down any country using anything other than the vaccines to treat covid? If its pure short term self interest thats driving the political response to covid (‘Something must be done, this is something, I am doing something to help, vote for me!) why should a politician worry about whats happening somewhere that doesn’t form part of his electorate? If its just the action rather than the result that counts why care about others actions?

    The co-ordinated nature of State’s responses to covid, and the attacks on anyone who dared to try anything other than the ‘agreed’ line suggests more than just political self interest. If that was the case you’d think that politicians in different countries would come up with different modes of attack on covid, just by pure random chance. In some ways that would be a good system, we’d get all sorts of things tried and we could compare and see what worked best.

    Now you could argue that the first movers on the ‘lockdown/vaccine’ train then didn’t want anyone else to make them look bad, and have thus used their positions to rubbish any alternative strategies, but that in itself is a conspiracy theory – it implies that Western politicians have conspired to rubbish potentially good treatments and containment strategies purely to make their failures look good.

    In my book thats as big of a conspiracy as suggesting they are using the covid crisis to achieve some predetermined aim. Either way they are killing people for selfish political ends.

  22. “More than half of Covid hospitalisations are patients who only tested positive after admission, leaked data reveal.”

    It is perfectly routine to be admitted to hospital for something which is only dioagnosed after admission. That’s why doctors order blood tests, X-rays etc.

    @Ian J: “Why will the powers that be not allow the use of Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine to treat people”

    Because hydroxychloroquine has been tested and found to be ineffective (see https://www.recoverytrial.net/results), and ivermectin has not yet been properly tested (but see https://www.principletrial.org/ for a trial).

    And incidentally, why are there crackpots advocating ivermectin, which has not been properly tested against Covid-19, and crackpots refusing the vaccines on the grounds they have not been properly tested? Are they the same people?

  23. It took longer than I expected. Perhaps we are monitored by the lethargic rebuttal unit, not the rapid. 77th Brigade reserves?

  24. Gov: “We have a vaccine for covid.”
    Me: “Great! When can I get it?”
    Gov: “And if you don’t take it we will destroy your life.”
    Me: “This. Is. Sparta!”

    I don’t believe I am alone in this.

  25. Garbage person:
    And incidentally, why are there crackpots advocating ivermectin, which has not been properly tested against Covid-19, and crackpots refusing the vaccines on the grounds they have not been properly tested? Are they the same people?

    A known safe drug not being properly tested for efficacy against Covid-19 is not equivalent to the rushed “vaccines” not being properly safety tested on people.

  26. Charles, please explain why Ivermectin has been effective against other parasitic and viral infections but is suddenly ineffective against Covid-19.

    Have a look at the studies done in Central & South America where ivermectin has been used to treat Covid: https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/epidemiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin/

    Plus this observational study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.10.21255248v1.full

    Ivermectin, already a proven anti-viral drug that does eradicate the Covid virus and is an effective prophylactic vs vaccines for which pharmaceutical companies have immunity from liability.

  27. “please explain why Ivermectin has been effective against other parasitic and viral infections but is suddenly ineffective against Covid-19.”

    Don’t tell them, Pike!

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