A spokesperson for Westminster council said “This year the council introduced a policy which will prevent the construction of new homes over 200 sq metres.

That’s not ground area, that’s total living space.

My flat’s bigger than that……

19 thoughts on “You what?”

  1. Maybe they want lots of little flats for the servants of the toffs who live in Westminster. But don’t toffs have live-in servants? Maybe for tradesmen, then, or drivers, or ….

    Americans always seem to know the floor area of their houses: we have never known ours though it wouldn’t take long to measure. But unless we wanted to sell, why would it matter?

  2. 200 sq m? 2,000ish sq ft? Luxury! Well, it is here in the Kong, where I am about to move into an 800-odd (gross) / 600-odd (net) sq ft apartment.

    People in the UK rarely know how big their home is, you just normally go by the number of bedrooms, but I do see more listings with the size mentioned. Having said that, I’m sure you could sell a property without knowing or the buyer asking.

  3. In the UK homes are now sold with an Energy Performance Certificate. In the detail of it you can find the area. Although many listings now have it.

    In the US your location is an indication your price per square foot, buyers are going to multiply that by the home’s arft ea to compare prices. A little under $200/sq ft where I used to live commutable to Dallas. Over £200 per sq ft in the rural backwater where I live now in the UK. Although commutable to the scotch egg factory.

  4. 200sqm is still a sizeable property in an urban environment in the UK.
    My house in Austria was 240 m and I thought that it was huge with a groundspace of roughly 16m x 7.5m and two floors ( plus an enormous attic that I didnt count).
    I think that my Victorian 2 bedroomed house with two living rooms, kitchen, two bathrooms and utility room is large @140-ish.

  5. My wife once attended a seminar by a sociologist who at one point ranted about the scandal that flats in Edinburgh might have fewer bedrooms than flats in London. He was asked whether he had ever been in an Edinburgh flat. No. Everyone laughed as they tried to describe how huge the rooms are in Georgian flats in the New Town. Hell the boxrooms were bigger than some London “bedrooms”.

  6. My 3 bed flat’s 260 m2 with a 55 m2 roof terrace. Although we do have 3 bathrooms, a cloakroom & a laundry room. That’s not unusual here. I looked at a flat was 400 m2 with a roof pool
    Why Brits insist on building out rather than up eludes me.

  7. dearieme said:
    “don’t toffs have live-in servants?”

    Genuine toffs do (or did anyway), but our middle-class State elite aren’t used to it and can’t cope with having working class people around, so need them to live out.

    Plus it’s cheaper to have the staff housed by the State’s social housing policy.

  8. @BiS: “Why Brits insist on building out rather than up eludes me.”

    Usually the local councils planning regulations/guidelines. In many places it was “nothing higher than the local church” until recently. In my home town they’ve recently put up some new hotels of 5 or 6 storeys and everyone’s complaining they’re too tall for the district.

  9. @Arthur the cat
    There just seems to be something weird about Brits. Most of them here choose to live out on the developments. Little houses crowded cheek by jowl on minuscule plots with postage stamp gardens. Few shops within walking distance & no bus service. Trying to recreate where they come from, I s’pose.

  10. Lots of newer builds in the UK have 3 storeys to meet the absurd density rules (minimum 30 dwellings per hectare) that used to exist. I think the rules have been relaxed since John Prescott’s time but I don’t know the current rule of thumb.

  11. My flat’s bigger than that……

    Then your flat is bigger than most American houses. I’ve got 3 bedrooms in 139m2 (1500ft2).

    200m2 is huge for a dense city property.

  12. The Government’s “Nationally Described Space Standard” specifies a minimum gross internal for a three-bedroom house for six people of 102 m². For a four-bedroom house for six people, you get an extra 4 m², taking your total area to 106 m².

    Going to the extremes of the standard, a one-bedroom flat for two people has a minimum size of 50 m² and a six-bedroom house for eight people has a minimum size of 132 m².

    Developers, of course design down to the minimum. A 200 m² home is, by modern standards, “huge”.

  13. I sneeze in threes

    “Going to the extremes of the standard, a one-bedroom flat for two people has a minimum size of 50 m² “

    How do I put a claim in for my additional metres? I’d love a hall cupboard!

  14. We all comparing measurements here? Ok. My one-bed flat is 70m2 if I’ve done the arithmetic properly, plus 30m2-ish of garden. My flat in HK was 160sqft in real money – plus a balcony! When people say “three bedrooms” my natural response is “what size bedrooms?”, exactly as I always ask “what size dinner plates/football fields/hump-backed whales?”

    UK no-floor-space is weird, particulary when every office development you go past prominantly advertises its floor space. I always advertise the flat I let out with its floor space and its price-per-floorage for people who can’t do divisions. (£1/sqft, £10.40/sqm btw)

  15. Quite why it’s the fucking government’s business how big peoples houses are totally escapes me.

    Why do we put up with this shit?

  16. Part of the Great Reset/Agenda 21 is no more old-fashioned family homes. You will live in a shitty shoe-box type glorified garden shed in sight, sound and stink of your neighbours. Half-way between a barracks and a shanty town built by IKEA.

    Young people are increasingly unable to buy homes as in days gone by and brazen shite like “Ireland 2040” schemes that we will be forced into high density urban shitholes in major cities.

    I would have called that a pipe-dream but with large numbers of mugs even on here having taken the shite vax for a 0.01 chance of dying I’m no longer so sure. You have set yourselves up for vax pass step one of CCP social credit tyranny. Which given the uptake of the lie juice here amongst those who should have more brains suggests the major dilemma of most of you will be what colour/style of wallet to put your new slavery card in.

  17. ANNRQ
    July 22, 2021 at 12:26 pm
    “Developers design down to the minimum.”

    Developers design what sells, within the restrictions laid down by the all-wise town planners. If buyers want larger, developers will design larger.

  18. Developers design what will pass planning the first time. Hence no parking “to encourage cycling and use of public transport” and cramming as many houses onto a plot of land as possible so that the planners can meet their targets for house building.

    Buyers get to buy what’s built — if they don’t like it, there will be other buyers willing to put up with it because supply is constrained.

  19. London flat, 1 bedroom, 32sqm. Sold that and for 3/4 of the proceeds bought a 2 bed house in Somerset 108sqm. And a quarter acre garden with outbuildings larger than that flat.

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