Oh, absolutely, these are the same thing

You cannot entirely separate incel extremism from the everyday sexism that is rife in our society. Not everybody is in favour of forcing women into sexual slavery, but a significant portion of the British public believe that women are fully or partially to blame for their own rapes if they were drunk or flirting.

13 thoughts on “Oh, absolutely, these are the same thing”

  1. I entirely agree with Laura. In the same way, you cannot entirely separate Islamic extremism from the everyday Islam that is rife in our society. Not everybody is in favour of forcing women into sexual slavery, throwing gays off buildings or murdering all the Jews but a significant portion of British Muslims believe that women ought to be barefoot and pregnant and that apostates and blasphemers should be killed.

  2. Good to see this bint is still banging the ‘Everyday Sexism’ drum BTW. At least a decade of making a living from conflating flirting with rape. There was a website once, which was mainly full of women complaining that fat Darren from accounts had flirted with them ‘like he thought he was good enough!’ or that they didn’t get ’nuff respec’ for their important work in HR/PR whatever…

    a significant portion of the British public believe that women are fully or partially to blame for their own rapes if they were drunk or flirting.

    This is, of course, an outright lie. People do not blame drunk women for being raped, just as they don’t blame drunk men for drowning or getting mugged. They merely suggest that one’s personal safety can be dependent on keeping a clear head.

  3. Why is a lone nutter who is an incel a harbinger of a terrorist movement whereas a member of an extreme sect who commits an actual terrorist act is a lone nutter?

  4. Another Guardian article embellished with a photo of its author – another unreflective, unhappy face staring rather grumpily at the camera.

  5. They’re eager to say it’s ‘ Incels’ or ‘All Men’ when it comes to rape and abuse rather than address the Elephant in the room that is Muslim Rape Gangs.

  6. But we have no way of measuring how many have come into contact with this ideology before going on to murder a partner, or rape a woman. We can’t quantify how many of the boys harassing, sexually assaulting and raping girls in UK schools have been influenced by incel ideology and other forms of misogynistic extremism.

    Okay – no way of measuring; we can’t quantify. Could be all, could be none at all. We can’t tell. Next line:

    Incels may not be an organised group, but their online influence is far more widespread than we might like to think.
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    We have no way of knowing how many people in the online knitting forums are plotting anthrax attacks. We have no way of knowing how many anthrax attackers were influenced by the online knitting forums. So let’s malign and cancel the unorganised online knitting forums, and stop everyone else from criticising #MeToo. Just in case. Now give me money.

  7. “But we have no way of measuring how many have come into contact with this ideology before going on to murder a partner, or rape a woman.”

    Yes, we probably do. A check of their on-line browsing history. How many times do we read of the police discovering searches for “how to dispose of a body” etc. Fairly frequently. How many times is it reported that these searches showed interest in incel? Very, very occasionally (the Plymouth one and wasn’t there one in the US?).

    Besides, aren’t they always banging on about husbands/partners doing the murdering? I thought the whole point of these incel people was that they can’t GET a wife or partner.

    “Incels may not be an organised group, but their online influence is far more widespread than we might like to think.”

    We have no idea how widespread their influence is so we’ll assume it’s widespread.

    Generally (and looking at the occasional incel person pictured in the media), I think it might help them if they shaved or at least tidied up their beard, lost a bit of weight, exercised a bit and bought some new clothes rather than moping about all the time.

  8. @ Andrew C
    I should like to think that the influence (online or otherwise) of incel groups was zero. Hence some turd can say that it’s wider than we should like to think, even though it is too small for 99+% of us to notice – in order to create a new bogeyman to justify persecution.

  9. Dennis, A Vast Reservior of Toxic Masculinity

    Note that the last article Bates wrote for the Guardian was… “Men going their own way: the rise of a toxic male separatist movement”

    Now why would men do that, Laura?

    You can’t make this shit up.

  10. If it’s widespread doesn’t that suggest we have a societal problem like the Japanese Hikikomori and should be doing something to help these poor suffering people

  11. Call me old fashioned, but I’d rather have a few people BELIEVING or SAYING some ignorant things, than having my head chopped the fuck off. Crazy, I know.

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