Stand by for the spluttering

The delta variant has wrecked any chance of herd immunity, a panel of experts including the head of the Oxford vaccine team said as they called for an end to mass testing so Britain can start to live with Covid.

Scientists said it was time to accept that there was no way of stopping the virus spreading through the entire population, and monitoring people with mild symptoms was no longer helpful.

Prof Andrew Pollard, who led the Oxford vaccine team, said it was clear that the delta variant could infect people who had been vaccinated, which made herd immunity impossible to reach even with high vaccine uptake.

There will be those who insist that this means the base idea of herd immunity was wrong. Those who insist that therefore society should always remain closed down. And an awful lot of shrieking at the sensible ones who say, well, that’s that. Just have to live – and die – with it being in the population, just like ‘flu and so on.

The people to look out for – and to biff, hard – are those who will argue for continued population controls…..

26 thoughts on “Stand by for the spluttering”

  1. Bloke in North Dorset

    Anyone who was paying attention will know that the vaccines were never going to be sterilising and that the aim was to reduce hospitalisations and deaths, just like the flu vaccine.

    I don’t suppose we’re going to be hearing people saying that Anders Tegnell was right after all.

  2. It depends what is meant by herd immunity. If defined as enough folk protected from infection that the disease dies out for lack of hosts, that doesn’t happen. No doubt some viruses become extinct, but we still have to watch out for lots of poxes.
    If defined as enough folk protected that the disease appears only in small local outbreaks, then we may have achieved herd immunity. We vaccinate against measles and say we’ve achieved herd immunity but still there are outbreaks every year, somewhere. The population immunity threshold may be 85%+ but no population is uniformly at exactly this figure, and some communities may dip quite a long way below.
    Polio is effectively eradicated in the UK so we assume herd immunity and have stopped vaccinating, I believe. It still exists in remote parts however. And there are refugees arriving.

  3. So if we could just live with “climate change” as well it’d be a pretty good world, wouldn’t it?
    Not going to happen. There’s well paid careers being built on both.

  4. People are beginning to realise that those of us who said from day one, “no matter what restrictions you impose, you cannot stop it, so protect the vulnerable and allow it to run it’s course” (and who have been shouted at and vilified as evil for doing so) were right.
    As all the prior scientific evidence and long thought out pandemic contingency plans said was the right thing to do, but which was promptly dumped in the bin when Ferguson et al showed them a computer model that made them shit themselves at the thought of the bad headlines they would receive.
    Can’t have that can we? So fuck the economy and take away peoples basic rights and freedoms instead.
    And now, some of the craven ‘scientists and experts’ who sat in silence while it was all imposed have decided the truth will out and are getting ahead of the curve.
    Hang the cunts.

  5. View from the Solent

    If you are jabbed* you can become infected and pass it on to others.
    If you are not jabbed* you can become infected and pass it on.


    * I use ‘jabbed’ because there is currently no true vaccine yet available. The only one on the horizon (Valneva) has gone through formal phase 1 & 2 is currently undergoing phase 3 testing. (Which were bypassed by the experimental drugs currently being injected into people – funny that)

  6. As the CDC is retiring the PCR test on the grounds it fails to distinguish between Wuflu, influenza and the common cold, I am sceptical about the accurate diagnosis of any variants.

  7. Ljh

    I read a different explanation.

    It’s that there’s no point using the PCR test created by the CDC, because there are many others in widespread use and simpler and more convenient to use, and that the CDC think that having a test which shows results for more than one virus would be much more useful. So they’re withdrawing **their** PCR test.

    I also read that the news that they’re withdrawing their PCR test because it cannot distinguish between covid and flu viruses is completely incorrect.

  8. I have been happy to see that most of the restrictions have been dropped and that I can go and do my shopping without having a mask on. I’ve just been for my diabetes check up at the surgery and found that there the circus is still going at full tilt. Signs and yellow tape everywhere, masks, hand sanitiser, the lot.

  9. Stoneground

    The explanation for such maskery at our local cancer centre is that most of the visitors are, well, cancer patients and thus generally have a depressed immune system and so taking extra preventive efforts is reasonable.

    It’s possible that most people who go to see their GP are ill. I’ve often wondered in the past why it was considered a Good Thing to mix up all these sick people in a small space…

  10. @Stonyground,
    Same experience at my GP here. Signs up saying mask required, door locked, buzz for entry etc. Luckily I was only dropping off a vial of piss, which I was able to hand to the receptionist through the window.

    The National Blood Service are also still going full retard. I was going to donate again after “Freedom Day”, but the website says they’re still demanding masks. Sod them.

  11. As a contrarian view… I reckon that mass vaccination has rendered herd immunity less likely. Israel’s stats appear to show that those who have naturally-acquired immunity have a far better “standard” of immunity than that given by vaccination – the cases of re-infection are at least an order of magnitude higher amongst the vaccinated than amongst those who’ve actually had the bloody disease. Because of the way the immune system deals with infections it gives a much wider-spread of viral targets, ie not just the “spike protein” but also lots of other protein-strings from the smashed-up virus.

    So, by vaccinating all those people who would have had no serious trouble if they caught Covid they’ve made them less-likely to catch the disease (certainly the “bog-standard” strains) but more likely to catch and disseminate the “variants”.

    My opinion, nowt else BTW.

  12. “Signs and yellow tape everywhere, masks, hand sanitiser, the lot.”
    I’m quite proud that I’ve managed to get through the whole of this without using hand sanitiser once. They put up one of these dispensers outside the supermarket which they expected customers to use. I just faked operating the little lever. Other than this I’ve just continued to operate as I’ve always done on the basis that a sufficiently robust immune system will deal with pretty well anything save possibly Ebola & for a robust immune system, give it something to work with. Why I rarely contract colds, flu, gut rot or anything else. I any case there were four possible outcomes 1)not become infected with Corona 2) be asymptomatic 3) suffer the symptoms but recover 4) the Grim Reaper. 1, 2 & 4 were indistinguishable from a personal point of view. (the dead don’t suffer the symptoms of coronavirus, by definition). And the probabilities of 3 & 4 even at my advanced age were low. So why get exited about it? Just been a pain in the arse the way everybody else has responded & expected compliance with their paranoia.

  13. Baron, that’s not just your opinion, it’s that of many virologists. Any leaky vaccine will promote the incidence of variants. It’s inevitable. That survival of the fittest thing. And for the same reason, there is no prospect of herd immunity. Time to look at early treatment, as the smearing of any such option was only to protect the vaccine initiative. Having gone all-in on vaccine, can the medical establishment change course and do the sensible thing.

  14. View from the Solent

    Perhaps a better phrase than “only true vaccine” would be “only classic vaccine”

    Personally, I don’t much care what technology they use to develop a vaccine, only that it works.

    And I’m somewhat less sanguine than BiS about not bothering. [But, I tend not to use other peoples’ hand sanitiser – except sometimes to wipe the handle of the supermarket chariot; but I do wash my hands once I get home, wherever I’ve been. ‘Twas a habit instilled by my maternal grandmother, back in the ’50’s – she lived in Highgate (in/near London) and said everything out there in public was crawling with bacteria – and now re-activated]

  15. “It’s possible that most people who go to see their GP are ill. I’ve often wondered in the past why it was considered a Good Thing to mix up all these sick people in a small space…”

    And why it’s standard NHS practice to book all appointments for the same time & then make attendees sit waiting for their “turn” for hours in that small space. Or why all waiting times in A&E are invariably the same lengthy period. It may be more “productive” for the NHS. Fuck knows how many people it kills.

  16. That’s rather the point, BiTiN. Everything is crawling with bacteria. I am, you are, everything is. The idea that one can completely avoid the little buggers is a non-starter. So the only thing to do is live with them. You have an immune system to deal with them, give it a chance.
    My reasoning is casual contact with small amounts of nasties is a good way for the immune system to prime itself without getting overwhelmed. So if you do bump into a large amount of them it’s already prepared to deal with it. Seems to work.

  17. Before someone points it out, and virus. And pretty well anything else, for that matter. Cold, heat, alcohol, foods, exhaustion, rap music… The more you coddle yourself, the more in the end you suffer.

  18. BIS

    Which is why it’s a good idea to let youngsters roll around in the dirt and eat food they’ve dropped on the floor etc rather than sanitising everything with Dettol.

    Speaking of small things, I read that statistically every glass of water contains a fragment of Napoleon’s sperm. Could be Bsh1t, but made me think

  19. “taking extra preventive efforts is reasonable”: ah, but are the measures preventive? Our GP practice still behaves as if the doctors know no science. (I mean “science” not ‘The Science’.)

    Their best preventive measure might very well be an improvement of the ventilation in the waiting room and the consulting rooms. No sign of it. But all the pandemic theatre is there.

  20. Phillip. Britain has not stopped vaccinating against Polio, it’s part of the 6 in 1 vaccine that is given to infants in three doses at 8, 12 and 16 weeks old. You are correct that Polio has not been eradicated as has Smallpox and worryingly it’s still present in some of the places such as Pakistan and Afghanistan where the so called ‘refugees’ are boating in from.

    On the subject of vaccines I don’t think that the UK infant vaccination regime goes far enough. We don’t, unlike the USA, vaccinate against Chickenpox and thereby expose children later in life to Shingles. We don’t also routinely vaccinate against TB anymore which should worry us as TB has started to come back. When my son was vaccinated I requested that he was vaccinated against TB as he would be visiting relatives in areas that are known for having far too many TB afflicted ‘imports’ but the NHS refused on the grounds that he was low risk of contracting TB. I believe that failing to vaccinate against TB is a possible time bomb as we now have a large portion of the population that is unprotected due to the cessation of national TB vaccination and there is the possibility that imported TB could wreak havoc on the unprotected population.

  21. Well Fahrenheit211, I’d agree with you about the TB vax. And I suppose my GP’d agree with you about the chickenpox.

  22. Boots will give your kids the chickenpox vaccination for £140. By the time you’ve taken a day or two off work to look after a sick child it pays for itself.

  23. When I worked in Newham, East London, I saw a stat that said that that area has higher levels of TB than Yemen. But as so many in that particular locale hail from that and other shithole parts of the world it’s no wonder…..(147 different languages spoken too…..)

  24. @KyleT : re blood donation, they do as you say insist on face coverings, apart from when you are drinking which they insist you do twice and it’s a rather nice raspberry flavour isotonic. At least it is in Stockton.
    The best thing about my 3 donations since March 2020 is they have been on time. Airy venues, and in and out of the one way system in about 35 minutes then eat your biscuit in the car park. This is significantly better than in normal times and more than makes up for the face covering. Worth doing for the satisfaction imv.

  25. Fahrenheit211:
    There’s a hypothesis that much of the mortality of the 1918 Spanish flu was really due to concurrent TB. And another hypothesis that the flu epidemic was actually responsible for the sudden disappearance of TB itself in many parts of the world, in that it killed off the vulnerable people who would otherwise have continued contracting it and passing it on.
    No particular point about mentioning this idea, other than it’s an interesting one, which may have some bearing on what’s going on at the moment.

  26. Con-vid was a bad winter flu lied to the skies as a power-grab that is still in progress. We need no more precautions against it than any other flu. Time the panic and the power-grab were done. Discussing the topic as if the official bullshit had the slightest credence is playing the enemies game.

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