Ms. Shriver does have a point though

For Britain to remain Britain, it has to remain predominantly white. To say so, Shriver insists, is not racist. It is difficult, though, to know what else it could be. “For westerners to passively accept and even abet incursions by foreigners so massive that the native-born are effectively surrendering their territory without a shot fired,” Shriver claims, “is biologically perverse”.

This is the language of the British National party, of the AfD in Germany, of Marine Le Pen in France. To describe immigration as “incursions by foreigners”, to view black or brown people moving into your town as “surrendering one’s territory” and to regard non-white immigration as “biologically perverse” is not just to stray into racist territory, it is to jump head first into the swamp.

We can recast the argument. For Zimbabwe, or South Africa, to remain truly African it is necessary to cast out the Europeans. One place did so and there are plenty making the same argument in the other. Entirely true that it didn’t work out well and it wouldn’t, but that’s not the same point.

If ethnicity, or race, or culture, don’t matter then they don’t matter. If they do they do.

21 thoughts on “Ms. Shriver does have a point though”

  1. One does think of the endless Palestinian and Mahometan complaints about the horrid Zionist settlers.

    But perhaps this is wicked because they’re whiter than the natives. Or maybe merely not Moslems.

  2. Boganboy

    No I think it’s ‘cos they’re Jews. I was reading a few months ago, how the British army in Egypt before during and after the Great War was preoccupied with police work to prevent pogroms by Arab nationalists. Eventually all the Egyptian Jews fled northwards.

  3. I think that altho the easy identifier of the mass immigration is duskier skin tone, the problem ain’t skin, it’s culture.

    And it’s fairly dishonest – what a surprise! – to attack Shriver by claiming racism when what’s at issue is culture.

    Oh well. It’s what we’d expect.

  4. Alas BiTiN, missing the point and creating straw men is what writing for the Graun and Obs is all about.
    I read Shriver’s article in the Speccy and agreed with most of it.
    Tebbit’s Cricket Test is one good arbiter of assimilation. But also I remember back when there was that notorious Minter v Hagler fight and my schoolmates divided on racial lines whom they wanted to win, it was not a question of GB vs USA.

  5. Ms Shriver is almost right, but when she says: ” “The colour of my skin is an arbitrary accident… ” she’s wrong. The colour of her skin – a proxy for her Race – is a result of decisions made by her ancestors over thousands of years.

    This is the language of the British National party, of the AfD in Germany, of Marine Le Pen in France.

    So what? They’re right.

    Despite what Mr Malik may claim to believe, Africans, Asians, Jews, Arabs and Polynesians are not Britons, they are not even Europeans, and you cannot maintain or advance Western Civilisation without Europeans.
    The fact is that mass non-White immigration has been an unmitigated disaster for Europeans and there have been no benefits to counter-balance the negative effects.

  6. What’s really interesting about Malik’s piece is that it doesn’t really address Shriver’s point at all. Instead, he just reaches for easy comparisons along the lines of “This has got something in common with x, and most of us agree that x is nastily racist, so….”

    Standard Guardian tactics, of course. They use a picture of “Anti-racists” guarding a defaced mural of Rashford. No mention of the fact that the police said there was no discernible racism in the defacing, which was merely a scrawled willie.

  7. Sam Vara: merely a scrawled willie

    Ah, but what colour was the scrawl? And whatever colour you say it was I have a prepared cry of “Racist!” as a rejoinder, so there!

  8. I wonder whether the Guardian’s writer understands that when it’s a plant or an animal, say Japanese Knotweed or the American Crayfish or the Grey Squirrel, we class them as invasive species which harm native indigenous populations. We see that as a bad thing. Now if it’s people..

  9. “I wonder whether the Guardian’s writer understands that when it’s a plant or an animal, say Japanese Knotweed or the American Crayfish or the Grey Squirrel, we class them as invasive species which harm native indigenous populations. We see that as a bad thing. Now if it’s people..”

    Cultural and racial takeovers are only bad if white people do them. If loads of white people started going to live in ‘native’ American Indian lands, or with the Aborigines in Australia, and swamping their culture with white culture then that would be evil racist colonial behaviour. But if black people do it to whites then thats Diversity™ which as we all know is Double Plus Good!

  10. James Wong is essentially right: Plants will grow anywhere if conditions are within their preference. And they do care very little about the lines we’ve drawn on maps saying “this is ours”.

    He does, of course, forget to mention that this means that those same plants can play merry hell on ecosystems they’ve never been in because of physical barriers. Because that is how “invasive species” are defined.

    Fun fact. Cultures work the same.. But you’re only allowed to mention that in that context if you’re an archeologist, and no later than bronze age, please…

  11. The argument can also be extended to the West’s adventure in Afghanistan. I keep seeing this kind of thing –

    https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/people/refugee-who-fled-to-yorkshire-during-first-taliban-rule-says-she-lives-in-constant-fear-her-family-will-be-killed-3367532

    “But it’s still not enough. We need to respect asylum seekers for humanity, they’ve been through so much. In Afghanistan, people can’t go out, they don’t know if they will be alive next month.”

    Actually, the real problem is that we have encouraged a bunch of people to believe in Western ideas in a backward country. The people who believed in a western lifestyle (women’s rights, LGBT rights, human rights) failed to maintain a state in their home country. They now want to flee to the west and be looked after. If these people cannot find the strength to fight for their beliefs, why should western taxpayers have to look after them? (Well I suppose the west does bear some responsibility for encouraging the delusions.)

  12. For Zimbabwe, or South Africa, to remain truly African it is necessary to cast out the Europeans. One place did so and there are plenty making the same argument in the other. Entirely true that it didn’t work out well and it wouldn’t, but that’s not the same point.

    Maybe not the same point but a good point anyway. The track record of colonials getting Independence from the UK and then bitching like heck when the indigenous blokes they’ve put in power are even worse…well, Zimbabwe is rather a good example of that and South Africa seems to be going down the same path. Shame for the whites that still live their, but they were abandoned by their own elite decades ago when they handed power to Nelson “Enjoy your Sowetto Necktie” Mandela and his fake peace-n-luv bullshit.

    The blacks voted for this. They should get what they voted for. Good and hard.

    As the Pole’s say “Not my circus, not my monkey’s”.

  13. John:

    Maybe not the same point but a good point anyway.

    I suppose the real point is that without Europeans, Africans are f**ked; whereas without Africans, Europeans lives would be massively improved.

  14. Bloke in North Korea (Germany Province)

    If an entirely new species arrived in Australia (which is famously adverse to new species arriving) and started trying to establish a niche for itself, how do you think the Australian government would react?

    Oh.

  15. If white people believe it’s about culture more than race, then they should support going back to that culture we had when the UK did really well for itself. Which was when dependency culture was not a thing, and government played a minor role in one’s life.
    So repeal the modern day corn laws, bring in UFT, abolish the minimum wage, the NHS (A&E excepted), public libraries, government run education and the NPPF. And much else.

  16. “For Britain to remain Britain” – there’s no chance of that. Things change. Nearly 1000 years ago there were probably people saying the same foolish things that England couldn’t remain England as long as those Normans kept coming over here.

  17. Nearly 1000 years ago there were probably people saying the same foolish things that England couldn’t remain England as long as those Normans kept coming over here.

    That is now known as an “invasion”. And the pre-existing inhabitants at least put up a fight.

  18. @Charles. They were praying that the skyfairy would deliver them from the Danes..
    Didn’t do them a lot of good.

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