Some confusion with the Ice Hockey player, perhaps (Justin Krueger)
Starfish
Hmm
Smug journo disregards the healthy role of scepticism and uses the ‘appeal to authority’ fallacy
Shouldn’t he be explaining the science?
Jimmers
Cos it works so well for Global warming, sorry climate change.
Steve
So we’re back to implicitly trusting the learned Doctors of the Church I see.
Though I think even the most devious of Jesuits would blush to repeat the creepy Dr Fauci’s funny stories about how Covid will kill you if you go to a sportsball game or a Trump rally, but definitely can’t get you if you go to a gay bathhouse or a BLM riot.
Dennis, Satan's Editor-In-Chief
Smug journo disregards the healthy role of scepticism and uses the ‘appeal to authority’ fallacy
He isn’t a journalist. He works at Buzzfeed peddling low-grade non-news click bait.
There’s a difference, and the difference is important.
Rob
I imagine he was fanatically anti-mask in Mar 2020 and fanatically pro-mask in May 2020, because he doesn’t need to do his own research, he trusts the experts.
Ljh
Journalism is dead. Killed by Arts graduates light on Maths and Epistemology and heavy on virtue signalling, there’s no market for the hard boiled cynical kind in the msm. Those who follow the old “Why is this lying bastard lying to me?” approach are much persecuted in the alt media.
John77
@ Gunker
No problem – there are two categories “the best scientists whom money cannot buy because they care about the science more than money” and “the best scientists money can buy” (because they care more about money than the science.
Most of the former have a paid job with some employer that tolerates their conscience.
Grikath
Actually.. Google skills are a necessity nowadays for any real science, and an opinion as such on the topic-du-jour.
Lots of stuff is still paywalled, but the drafts can nowadays almost always be found on PLOS and other sites specialising in actual scientific papers.
There’s the bit about them being technical, dry-as-fvck, and not meant for Readers’ Digest afficionado’s and/or art-graduate journo’s, but boy can you find stuff…
M
When did “reporters” turn into “journalists” anyway?
Probably when writing an upside-down pyramid started requiring a four-year degree and a couple of years unpaid internship (so only people supported by parents could do it).
rhoda klapp
I found this one while doing my own research. It’s long but worth it.
Someone who thinks the appeal to authority fallacy is an argument criticising others. The lack of self-awareness is staggering. As is the assumption that people mean google when suggesting others do research.
I would also add that I felt my IQ draining away reading that drivel.
Bloke on M4
Ljh,
“Journalism is dead. Killed by Arts graduates light on Maths and Epistemology and heavy on virtue signalling, there’s no market for the hard boiled cynical kind in the msm. Those who follow the old “Why is this lying bastard lying to me?” approach are much persecuted in the alt media.”
The big problem today is that there’s sod all money in “journalism as a job”. Men who want to attract women and raise a few kids aren’t doing it. So journalism is now overrun by upper middle class women, gays and general idiots.
The best journalism out there is by-product journalism. Like Bruce Schneier writes about computer security stories, and the guy knows his shit. He isn’t some liberal arts graduate employed as a “tech correspondent” who just regurgitates what someone tells him. Or that someone like Joe Fattorini writes about wine, and used to work for Berry Bros. Dominic Cummings is the single best person to read about government because he’s been there, unlike most of the commentators.
Chester Draws
I had an argument several months ago at work about the NZ government’s message that getting vaccinated would prevent one from getting Covid. It took 30 minutes to find out that was untrue. (They protect, not prevent.)
Two weeks later it became the government message too. The journalists seemed to miss the change.
I also know that the evidence for wearing masks is paper thin. I simply followed the links back to the cited studies. No need to stop off at the multitudinous conspiracy sites.
It isn’t always easy to find, and isn’t light reading, but it is there if you look.
Journalists are social types. The sort of people who want to be liked and respected. Being wrong doesn’t bother them. Being unpopular does.
Andrew Again
We are at with with Eurasia, and always have been.
“Journalism” now is regurgitating state approved facts for the purposes of being accepted as one of the ruling class. No more, no less. The alt media is where actual journalism is found now.
bloke in spain
“Journalism” now is regurgitating state approved facts for the purposes of being accepted as one of the ruling class. No more, no less.”
Was it ever any different? I think you have to separate reporters from “journalists”. Reporters were generally without the airs & graces of “journalists”. They went reported things. All the W’s. When, Where, What, Who. Except for the Whys. “The facts Mam. Just the facts.”. And there was a lot of honour in doing that. Most reporters started at the bottom & worked up. There wasn’t a graduate entry scheme. Most of them knew the Whys because they came from the same place as the people they were reporting on. But they were reporters not interpreters.
“Journalists” were the ones with opinions. Thought they knew the Whys.
Trouble is there’s almost none of the former exist now. They’re all “journalists”. Often with degrees in it. Nothing gets reported without being coloured with their opinions. There’s no investigative reporters because things will only get investigated if the investigation leads in the “right” direction; so it’s not as much investigating as confirming opinions.
Problem with the alt-media is they’re no different. It’s only the opinions that differ. It’s just as unreliable as the MSM
philip
Why should I go research Dunning_Kreuger (sic)? I know all that stuff already.
Rob
Those who follow the old “Why is this lying bastard lying to me?” approach are much persecuted in the alt media.
Most still do follow that approach, 100%, but only for conservatives/republicans. Everything else is wholesale approval and printing verbatim.
(They protect, not prevent.)
Even with the Delta variant, they are estimated to reduce the chance of infection by 50% or so. There is no 100% effective solution anywhere.
Bloke on M4
Bloke in Spain,
“Trouble is there’s almost none of the former exist now. They’re all “journalists”. Often with degrees in it. Nothing gets reported without being coloured with their opinions. There’s no investigative reporters because things will only get investigated if the investigation leads in the “right” direction; so it’s not as much investigating as confirming opinions.
Problem with the alt-media is they’re no different. It’s only the opinions that differ. It’s just as unreliable as the MSM”
Factual reporting has been disintermediated and crowdsourced. For example, there was a time when people would buy video game magazines to hear about new games, to read reviews of games. But now there are services like Steam where you download games, but also tell you about new games, and allow users to score games and write reviews.
So what’s happened to the likes of the old magazines, and even websites like Kotaku that were in the first generation of internet media, is that they just can’t add any value there. A lot of them have gone bust, but what now remains is a brand and some publishing software. All that is left for Kotaku to do is to write opinions. And you aren’t going to get blokeish opinions, because there’s no money in it, and blokes want money to pick up chicks.
So these spaces get filled with rich kids (with rich kid opinions) and activists. Kotaku is all about the lack of women doing Twitch streams or gay RPGs or the behaviour of men at Activision Blizzard. If you want blokeish opinions about games, it’s mostly in reddit groups (reddit is very male).
“Best scientists money can buy” I am sure is the problem here.
Some confusion with the Ice Hockey player, perhaps (Justin Krueger)
Hmm
Smug journo disregards the healthy role of scepticism and uses the ‘appeal to authority’ fallacy
Shouldn’t he be explaining the science?
Cos it works so well for Global warming, sorry climate change.
So we’re back to implicitly trusting the learned Doctors
of the ChurchI see.Though I think even the most devious of Jesuits would blush to repeat the creepy Dr Fauci’s funny stories about how Covid will kill you if you go to a sportsball game or a Trump rally, but definitely can’t get you if you go to a gay bathhouse or a BLM riot.
Smug journo disregards the healthy role of scepticism and uses the ‘appeal to authority’ fallacy
He isn’t a journalist. He works at Buzzfeed peddling low-grade non-news click bait.
There’s a difference, and the difference is important.
I imagine he was fanatically anti-mask in Mar 2020 and fanatically pro-mask in May 2020, because he doesn’t need to do his own research, he trusts the experts.
Journalism is dead. Killed by Arts graduates light on Maths and Epistemology and heavy on virtue signalling, there’s no market for the hard boiled cynical kind in the msm. Those who follow the old “Why is this lying bastard lying to me?” approach are much persecuted in the alt media.
@ Gunker
No problem – there are two categories “the best scientists whom money cannot buy because they care about the science more than money” and “the best scientists money can buy” (because they care more about money than the science.
Most of the former have a paid job with some employer that tolerates their conscience.
Actually.. Google skills are a necessity nowadays for any real science, and an opinion as such on the topic-du-jour.
Lots of stuff is still paywalled, but the drafts can nowadays almost always be found on PLOS and other sites specialising in actual scientific papers.
There’s the bit about them being technical, dry-as-fvck, and not meant for Readers’ Digest afficionado’s and/or art-graduate journo’s, but boy can you find stuff…
When did “reporters” turn into “journalists” anyway?
Probably when writing an upside-down pyramid started requiring a four-year degree and a couple of years unpaid internship (so only people supported by parents could do it).
I found this one while doing my own research. It’s long but worth it.
https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unte.html
This journo seems determined that I don’t see people like Dr. McCullough.
Someone who thinks the appeal to authority fallacy is an argument criticising others. The lack of self-awareness is staggering. As is the assumption that people mean google when suggesting others do research.
I would also add that I felt my IQ draining away reading that drivel.
Ljh,
“Journalism is dead. Killed by Arts graduates light on Maths and Epistemology and heavy on virtue signalling, there’s no market for the hard boiled cynical kind in the msm. Those who follow the old “Why is this lying bastard lying to me?” approach are much persecuted in the alt media.”
The big problem today is that there’s sod all money in “journalism as a job”. Men who want to attract women and raise a few kids aren’t doing it. So journalism is now overrun by upper middle class women, gays and general idiots.
The best journalism out there is by-product journalism. Like Bruce Schneier writes about computer security stories, and the guy knows his shit. He isn’t some liberal arts graduate employed as a “tech correspondent” who just regurgitates what someone tells him. Or that someone like Joe Fattorini writes about wine, and used to work for Berry Bros. Dominic Cummings is the single best person to read about government because he’s been there, unlike most of the commentators.
I had an argument several months ago at work about the NZ government’s message that getting vaccinated would prevent one from getting Covid. It took 30 minutes to find out that was untrue. (They protect, not prevent.)
Two weeks later it became the government message too. The journalists seemed to miss the change.
I also know that the evidence for wearing masks is paper thin. I simply followed the links back to the cited studies. No need to stop off at the multitudinous conspiracy sites.
It isn’t always easy to find, and isn’t light reading, but it is there if you look.
Journalists are social types. The sort of people who want to be liked and respected. Being wrong doesn’t bother them. Being unpopular does.
We are at with with Eurasia, and always have been.
“Journalism” now is regurgitating state approved facts for the purposes of being accepted as one of the ruling class. No more, no less. The alt media is where actual journalism is found now.
“Journalism” now is regurgitating state approved facts for the purposes of being accepted as one of the ruling class. No more, no less.”
Was it ever any different? I think you have to separate reporters from “journalists”. Reporters were generally without the airs & graces of “journalists”. They went reported things. All the W’s. When, Where, What, Who. Except for the Whys. “The facts Mam. Just the facts.”. And there was a lot of honour in doing that. Most reporters started at the bottom & worked up. There wasn’t a graduate entry scheme. Most of them knew the Whys because they came from the same place as the people they were reporting on. But they were reporters not interpreters.
“Journalists” were the ones with opinions. Thought they knew the Whys.
Trouble is there’s almost none of the former exist now. They’re all “journalists”. Often with degrees in it. Nothing gets reported without being coloured with their opinions. There’s no investigative reporters because things will only get investigated if the investigation leads in the “right” direction; so it’s not as much investigating as confirming opinions.
Problem with the alt-media is they’re no different. It’s only the opinions that differ. It’s just as unreliable as the MSM
Why should I go research Dunning_Kreuger (sic)? I know all that stuff already.
Those who follow the old “Why is this lying bastard lying to me?” approach are much persecuted in the alt media.
Most still do follow that approach, 100%, but only for conservatives/republicans. Everything else is wholesale approval and printing verbatim.
(They protect, not prevent.)
Even with the Delta variant, they are estimated to reduce the chance of infection by 50% or so. There is no 100% effective solution anywhere.
Bloke in Spain,
“Trouble is there’s almost none of the former exist now. They’re all “journalists”. Often with degrees in it. Nothing gets reported without being coloured with their opinions. There’s no investigative reporters because things will only get investigated if the investigation leads in the “right” direction; so it’s not as much investigating as confirming opinions.
Problem with the alt-media is they’re no different. It’s only the opinions that differ. It’s just as unreliable as the MSM”
Factual reporting has been disintermediated and crowdsourced. For example, there was a time when people would buy video game magazines to hear about new games, to read reviews of games. But now there are services like Steam where you download games, but also tell you about new games, and allow users to score games and write reviews.
So what’s happened to the likes of the old magazines, and even websites like Kotaku that were in the first generation of internet media, is that they just can’t add any value there. A lot of them have gone bust, but what now remains is a brand and some publishing software. All that is left for Kotaku to do is to write opinions. And you aren’t going to get blokeish opinions, because there’s no money in it, and blokes want money to pick up chicks.
So these spaces get filled with rich kids (with rich kid opinions) and activists. Kotaku is all about the lack of women doing Twitch streams or gay RPGs or the behaviour of men at Activision Blizzard. If you want blokeish opinions about games, it’s mostly in reddit groups (reddit is very male).
And have they been bought.