I like thisOctober 7, 2021 Tim WorstallScience22 Comments I’m pretty certain that it’s Dunning Kruger. previousSniggernextIt won’t be fun finding this out 22 thoughts on “I like this” gunker October 7, 2021 at 10:07 am “Best scientists money can buy” I am sure is the problem here. John Galt October 7, 2021 at 10:15 am I’m pretty certain that it’s Dunning Kruger. Some confusion with the Ice Hockey player, perhaps (Justin Krueger) Starfish October 7, 2021 at 10:25 am Hmm Smug journo disregards the healthy role of scepticism and uses the ‘appeal to authority’ fallacy Shouldn’t he be explaining the science? Jimmers October 7, 2021 at 10:57 am Cos it works so well for Global warming, sorry climate change. Steve October 7, 2021 at 11:09 am So we’re back to implicitly trusting the learned Doctors of the Church I see. Though I think even the most devious of Jesuits would blush to repeat the creepy Dr Fauci’s funny stories about how Covid will kill you if you go to a sportsball game or a Trump rally, but definitely can’t get you if you go to a gay bathhouse or a BLM riot. Dennis, Satan's Editor-In-Chief October 7, 2021 at 11:27 am Smug journo disregards the healthy role of scepticism and uses the ‘appeal to authority’ fallacy He isn’t a journalist. He works at Buzzfeed peddling low-grade non-news click bait. There’s a difference, and the difference is important. Rob October 7, 2021 at 12:07 pm I imagine he was fanatically anti-mask in Mar 2020 and fanatically pro-mask in May 2020, because he doesn’t need to do his own research, he trusts the experts. Ljh October 7, 2021 at 12:09 pm Journalism is dead. Killed by Arts graduates light on Maths and Epistemology and heavy on virtue signalling, there’s no market for the hard boiled cynical kind in the msm. Those who follow the old “Why is this lying bastard lying to me?” approach are much persecuted in the alt media. John77 October 7, 2021 at 1:26 pm @ Gunker No problem – there are two categories “the best scientists whom money cannot buy because they care about the science more than money” and “the best scientists money can buy” (because they care more about money than the science. Most of the former have a paid job with some employer that tolerates their conscience. Grikath October 7, 2021 at 2:35 pm Actually.. Google skills are a necessity nowadays for any real science, and an opinion as such on the topic-du-jour. Lots of stuff is still paywalled, but the drafts can nowadays almost always be found on PLOS and other sites specialising in actual scientific papers. There’s the bit about them being technical, dry-as-fvck, and not meant for Readers’ Digest afficionado’s and/or art-graduate journo’s, but boy can you find stuff… M October 7, 2021 at 2:45 pm When did “reporters” turn into “journalists” anyway? Probably when writing an upside-down pyramid started requiring a four-year degree and a couple of years unpaid internship (so only people supported by parents could do it). rhoda klapp October 7, 2021 at 4:16 pm I found this one while doing my own research. It’s long but worth it. https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unte.html This journo seems determined that I don’t see people like Dr. McCullough. Longrider October 7, 2021 at 5:01 pm Someone who thinks the appeal to authority fallacy is an argument criticising others. The lack of self-awareness is staggering. As is the assumption that people mean google when suggesting others do research. Longrider October 7, 2021 at 5:03 pm I would also add that I felt my IQ draining away reading that drivel. Bloke on M4 October 7, 2021 at 5:40 pm Ljh, “Journalism is dead. Killed by Arts graduates light on Maths and Epistemology and heavy on virtue signalling, there’s no market for the hard boiled cynical kind in the msm. Those who follow the old “Why is this lying bastard lying to me?” approach are much persecuted in the alt media.” The big problem today is that there’s sod all money in “journalism as a job”. Men who want to attract women and raise a few kids aren’t doing it. So journalism is now overrun by upper middle class women, gays and general idiots. The best journalism out there is by-product journalism. Like Bruce Schneier writes about computer security stories, and the guy knows his shit. He isn’t some liberal arts graduate employed as a “tech correspondent” who just regurgitates what someone tells him. Or that someone like Joe Fattorini writes about wine, and used to work for Berry Bros. Dominic Cummings is the single best person to read about government because he’s been there, unlike most of the commentators. Chester Draws October 7, 2021 at 6:31 pm I had an argument several months ago at work about the NZ government’s message that getting vaccinated would prevent one from getting Covid. It took 30 minutes to find out that was untrue. (They protect, not prevent.) Two weeks later it became the government message too. The journalists seemed to miss the change. I also know that the evidence for wearing masks is paper thin. I simply followed the links back to the cited studies. No need to stop off at the multitudinous conspiracy sites. It isn’t always easy to find, and isn’t light reading, but it is there if you look. Journalists are social types. The sort of people who want to be liked and respected. Being wrong doesn’t bother them. Being unpopular does. Andrew Again October 7, 2021 at 7:56 pm We are at with with Eurasia, and always have been. “Journalism” now is regurgitating state approved facts for the purposes of being accepted as one of the ruling class. No more, no less. The alt media is where actual journalism is found now. bloke in spain October 7, 2021 at 9:34 pm “Journalism” now is regurgitating state approved facts for the purposes of being accepted as one of the ruling class. No more, no less.” Was it ever any different? I think you have to separate reporters from “journalists”. Reporters were generally without the airs & graces of “journalists”. They went reported things. All the W’s. When, Where, What, Who. Except for the Whys. “The facts Mam. Just the facts.”. And there was a lot of honour in doing that. Most reporters started at the bottom & worked up. There wasn’t a graduate entry scheme. Most of them knew the Whys because they came from the same place as the people they were reporting on. But they were reporters not interpreters. “Journalists” were the ones with opinions. Thought they knew the Whys. Trouble is there’s almost none of the former exist now. They’re all “journalists”. Often with degrees in it. Nothing gets reported without being coloured with their opinions. There’s no investigative reporters because things will only get investigated if the investigation leads in the “right” direction; so it’s not as much investigating as confirming opinions. Problem with the alt-media is they’re no different. It’s only the opinions that differ. It’s just as unreliable as the MSM philip October 7, 2021 at 10:08 pm Why should I go research Dunning_Kreuger (sic)? I know all that stuff already. Rob October 8, 2021 at 8:46 am Those who follow the old “Why is this lying bastard lying to me?” approach are much persecuted in the alt media. Most still do follow that approach, 100%, but only for conservatives/republicans. Everything else is wholesale approval and printing verbatim. (They protect, not prevent.) Even with the Delta variant, they are estimated to reduce the chance of infection by 50% or so. There is no 100% effective solution anywhere. Bloke on M4 October 8, 2021 at 11:58 am Bloke in Spain, “Trouble is there’s almost none of the former exist now. They’re all “journalists”. Often with degrees in it. Nothing gets reported without being coloured with their opinions. There’s no investigative reporters because things will only get investigated if the investigation leads in the “right” direction; so it’s not as much investigating as confirming opinions. Problem with the alt-media is they’re no different. It’s only the opinions that differ. It’s just as unreliable as the MSM” Factual reporting has been disintermediated and crowdsourced. For example, there was a time when people would buy video game magazines to hear about new games, to read reviews of games. But now there are services like Steam where you download games, but also tell you about new games, and allow users to score games and write reviews. So what’s happened to the likes of the old magazines, and even websites like Kotaku that were in the first generation of internet media, is that they just can’t add any value there. A lot of them have gone bust, but what now remains is a brand and some publishing software. All that is left for Kotaku to do is to write opinions. And you aren’t going to get blokeish opinions, because there’s no money in it, and blokes want money to pick up chicks. So these spaces get filled with rich kids (with rich kid opinions) and activists. Kotaku is all about the lack of women doing Twitch streams or gay RPGs or the behaviour of men at Activision Blizzard. If you want blokeish opinions about games, it’s mostly in reddit groups (reddit is very male). Southerner October 11, 2021 at 8:12 am And have they been bought. 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