There’ll be another excuse along in a minute

Not that this should be a surprise to anyone:

Women earn less than men in their twenties because they are choosing the wrong subjects to study at university, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) has found.

The gender pay gap emerges almost immediately after graduation, with male graduates earning on average five per cent more than female graduates at the age of 25, according to a new analysis.

“Most of the initial gap can be explained by university subject choices, with women less likely to study subjects that lead to high-paying jobs,” researchers at the IFS explained.

“Women make up just a third of graduates in economics, the subject with the highest financial returns, and two thirds of graduates in creative arts, the subject with the lowest returns.”

But there will be another excuse along directly. I’m sure someone will try the “But that the subjects wimmins do pay less is evidence of the patriarchy”.

17 thoughts on “There’ll be another excuse along in a minute”

  1. Bloke in North Korea (Germany province)

    It does amuse that Astrology is the highest paying degree.

    The same high Astrology that has brought the entire global supply chain of everything to the brink of collapse because 1 plank of wood in Shenzhen cost a bit more than usual and was delivered 3 hours after just-in-time, causing ever-increasing knock-on effects.

    Jonathan – among all 20-29 year olds or graduates?

  2. Surprised that economics gives the highest financial returns; think it used to be medicine and law. In fact I think it was only those two that had positive returns.

  3. Jonathan said:
    “Women actually earn more than men in their 20’s”

    Because more women now get A levels and degrees? Whereas the study Tim quotes only compares those with degrees – which says a lot about the obsessions of the modern feminist movement.

  4. @Richard T
    Medics and lawyers at age 25 will still be/only just have finished training. Junior doctors are notoroiusly badly paid — and they accept that because of the promise of better things in a few years’ time — I would expect similar for the legals. Computer science from the top universities is bonkers: CS grads from Cambridge are being signed up by Google and Microsoft at £60k.

  5. STEM grads seem to be very much in demand. The son of a friend, who is studying physics at a decent uni, wants to go into something researchy (can’t remember offhand) but has had a massive job offer from EY. It’s something like £45k, but based up north.

  6. BiNK – it seems to be all women rather than just graduates, so perhaps women would be better off financially if they didn’t go to University?

  7. I thought the excuse for this was patriarchy? Where women are too weak and feeble to think and instead get pushed into other subjects by those horrible menfolk? Or sommat, it quickly turns into screeching noises

  8. My eldest daughter is a year 3 medical student and the youngest is doing very well in her A level studies of maths, physics, chemistry and computer science (which she wants to do at uni). These were not random choices. I may have had some influence in their decision making! Some of their friends meanwhile are doing media studies combined with communism at the University of Dreary Redbrick Shithole, whilst rocking the blue hair and nose ring look. Personally I think these people’s parents need a fucking slap.

  9. “CS grads from Cambridge are being signed up by Google and Microsoft at £60k.” It was long my rule of thumb that the finalists Lecturers examine in June would be earning more than them by September.

    If you teach science or technology and that isn’t true you’re perhaps not pursuing a fruitful discipline.

  10. Women have heard that it’s hard to get married if you earn more than most men; so they’re deliberately choosing lower-earning careers so as to improve their chances in the dating market.

  11. The survey treats all firsts and all seconds equally – Hmm! That’s unlike-for-like IMHO.

    They’ve got the motivation factors the wrong way around: young men who want to be able to support a family are motivated to choose a career which pays enough for them to do so and hence choose a subject to study that can lead them to such a career. Young women take a more balanced view, weighing up their interest in a subject and the chances that it will lead them to a career that will fund their desired lifestyle for *one* person.

    This is *definitely* a result of the patriarchy since a patriarch has to provide for himself and his dependents, not just for one person as does as spinster graduate.

  12. Young women take a more balanced view, weighing up their interest in a subject and the chances that it will lead them to a career that will fund their desired lifestyle for *one* person…

    …and their cats.

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