When is sexual assault sexual assault?

Former aide to Hillary Clinton claims she was sexually assaulted by a US senator


Ms Abedin claimed that after a Washington dinner she left with the politician and when they stopped in front of his home he invited her inside for coffee, which she accepted.

Not sure about American – ah, the lack of languages comes home to roost! – but in English that’s a euphemistic invitation. “Would you like to come in for some, ahem, coffee?” is akin to even if not quite exactly “So, think you might want to strip your knickers off and get your knees behind your ears? Maybe?”

At which point:

She writes: “Once inside, he told me to make myself comfortable on the couch.

“Then, in an instant, it all changed. He plopped down to my right, put his left arm around my shoulder, and kissed me, pushing his tongue into my mouth, pressing me back on the sofa.

“I was so utterly shocked, I pushed him away. All I wanted was for the last 10 seconds to be erased.”

Ms Abedin said the senator seemed surprised but apologised and said he had “misread” her.

Ah, pass made, pass rejected

She then writes that she kept away from the senator “for a few days” but bumped into him on Capitol Hill and nodding when he asked if they were still friends. Mrs Clinton then joined them, Ms Abedin said, “as if she knew I needed rescuing even though I’d told her nothing about that night”.

Ms Abedin said that she stayed friendly with the senator and soon “buried the incident”.

I guess in modern terms that is sexual assault. At least as some would define it. Pretty much everyone else would call it a pass that didn’t work. Which was then handled pretty well by all concerned. Adults who want to get the horn on – or don’t as the case may be – are operating in a certain sea of uncertainty until full consent is established. Misreadings will happen.

Sensible folk would say that sexual assault is what happens after the rejected misreading is ignored and the action continued. Rather than a misstep in the pavane of trying to establish the presence or not of the consent.

Jeez. “Coffee, kiss, no, ah well then, sorry” is sexual assault?

25 thoughts on “When is sexual assault sexual assault?”

  1. No doubt changing fashion and the endless whinging of women like Ms Abedin will eventually get us back to the good old days when this was all arranged by negotiation between the families, and the man and woman first met on their wedding day.

    Once that happens, I’m sure Ms Abedin will be a staunch opponent of the pestilent patriarchy that enforces this vicious control of women’s lives, and a fervent supporter of female liberation!!!

  2. @Rupert – I too must confess that I am both a victim of Historic Sexual Assault and a perpetrator. I blame the white cisgender imperialist patriarchy.

  3. @Jonathan… Presumably because he’s a Democrat. Had he been Republican his name would have been plastered all over the media.

  4. From the article-
    She then writes that she kept away from the senator “for a few days” but bumped into him on Capitol Hill and nodding when he asked if they were still friends. Mrs Clinton then joined them, Ms Abedin said, “as if she knew I needed rescuing even though I’d told her nothing about that night”.

    Suggests that Clinton knew what this senator was like & was, at least, doing nothing about it.

  5. “How did Bill do it?”
    “After I punched her head, she stopped saying ‘No’, so it wasn’t rape. You should put some ice on that.”

    Also, a lot of small aircraft accidents.

  6. In the big bang theory when Penny asked a man in for coffee Sheldon said “You can’t have coffee now it will stop you from sleeping.”
    She was amazed that he didn’t understand the hidden meaning

  7. Can’t be long before hopeful shaggers and shaggees should for prudence each be accompanied by lawyers to intermediate before any initial contact (verbal or physical) is made with the other party

  8. Bollocks. This has nothing to do with sexual assault. “They stopped in front of his home?” “He invited her in for coffee?”
    US senators don’t drive themselves home from Washington dinner parties. And, since he already had a ride, he’s no reason to accept lifts home from Washington aids. So she has collateral that she entered the house with him. There was something discussed, she wanted he wouldn’t play. Not necessarily at that particular time. So she tells the story, but doesn’t name names. Now she’s holding an ace. Either she still wants the same thing or something different. She gets it or she names names. The collateral will put them together at the time & place. Then it’s in the court of public opinion. No doubt Clinton knows who it is. (There’ll be lots of other’s in the circle as well, could be relied on to make useful contributions.) That’s the signal she’s got backing for the ploy so don’t mess with her. No doubt it’s something Clinton wants as well

  9. It always strikes me as strange when a woman telling this story claims that the gentleman stuck his tongue down her throat. When he started to kiss you and you didn’t want to be kissed you opened your mouth to accept his tongue?

    Not that this is a critical part of the story, but I find it odd and if I was on a jury it would create doubt about her story. Anybody else think that part makes sense?

  10. Bloke in North Dorset

    You could write a Four Yorkshiremen script around this:

    Fem 1: “A man looked at me yesterday! ”

    Fem 2: “You were lucky, a man held a door open for me! That was a really close escape”

    Fem 3: “Pah, that’s nothing to the way I was assaulted. I was walking down the street when a bunch of men turned round to look at me. It was like being gang raped.”

    Normal woman: “I got invited in for a coffee after a great date last night.”

    Fem 1, 2 & 3: Gasp, horror, “How did you survive!”

    Normal woman: “What you on about? It was a great shag. I wouldn’t have gone in if I didn’t want a shag.”

  11. Dennis, Satan's Editor-In-Chief

    When is sexual assault sexual assault?

    Just about anything can be deemed sexual assault when you have a book to sell.

  12. @ David
    Penny: Um, you know, it’s kind of early. Do you want to maybe come in for some coffee or something?

    Stuart: Oh, gee, it’s a little late for coffee, isn’t it?

    Penny: Oh, you think coffee means coffee, that is so sweet. Come on, I think I have decaf.

    Sheldon: Oh, good, Stuart, I thought I heard your voice. Do you have a moment?

    Stuart: Uh, yeah, I guess.

    Penny: Sheldon, we’re a little busy here, so…

    Sheldon: What are you doing?

    Stuart: We’re having coffee.

    Sheldon: Isn’t it a little late for coffee?

    Stuart: It’s okay. She thinks she has decaf.

  13. Fun fact: Bill Clinton literally officiated Huma’s wedding.

    So pretty sure she isn’t very concerned about sexual assault, and just wanted to get her own “me too” moment. That’s the mentality of the liberal elite over here. Just like Washington DC, New York politics are just Hollywood for uglier people, and Huma needed to keep her brand relevant.

  14. The creature Abedin–reputed as one of Killery’s lezzer circle–had some legal trouble hovering with Weiner and his capers. And would poss have appeared in court had Trump defeated Demorats election-theft. So a “poor her” alleged sex assault ( which the situation described clearly wasn’t) would look good on her scumbag CV.

    And everything BiS said as well.

  15. BiS’s theory of signaling to a senator that he/she is vulnerable to being blackmailed makes for interesting speculation since two Democratic senators are holding up the new expansion of government programs.

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