Has not demanded that Covid treatments be made available patent-free when many of the vaccines have been developed with state aid;
One of those things about proposing public policy is the desirability of accuracy. A vaccine is not a treatment, it is a vaccine. A treatment is not a vaccine, it is a treatment. That vaccines have been developed with public money has nothing at all to do with treatments and vice versa.
He’s demanding that the rugby ball be free because the match is at a state school.
In which case, since these COVID-19 shots neither protect from infection, nor prevent transmission, but merely reduce symptoms, then they aren’t vaccines, but treatments.
Surely?
Even placebos have been known to reduce symptoms.
JG is on the ball: the “vaccines” didn’t satisfy the definition of vaccine so they changed the definition, “they” being the US CDC and a favourite American dictionary.
Essentially the “vaccines” are freeloading on the public’s respect for successful vaccines used over past decades.
The “vaccines” make you more vulnerable to infection after the first dose and for a fortnight or so after the second. They then give temporary protection from symptomatic infection and serious illness, the first fading fairly quickly and the second more slowly. They are also suspected of raising the risk some nasty adverse side-effects, particularly heart problems in young males. Whether these risks will also fade away nobody knows. In the nature of things nobody can know anything about long term harms (or, indeed, long term benefits).
That’s my reading of it: open to correction.
P.S. I am not a doctor or virologist so (a) I am inexpert but (ii) I have not spent years being indoctrinated into uncritical acceptance of medical conventional wisdom. I also claim to be far more experienced than the average doctor at reading research papers and doing statistics. But then so are our cats.
In which case, since these COVID-19 shots neither protect from infection, nor prevent transmission, but merely reduce symptoms, then they aren’t vaccines, but treatments.
And in parallel with the misuse of antibiotics, widespread vaccination is leading to a dangerous situation.
We need a new variant of the Nuremburg Trials.
dearieme
My reading exactly except that I am exceedingly pessimistic in the long-term, if they continue to ‘top-up’.
The adverse effects are extrememly wide and the interference with the immune system seems to make immune diseases start up/restart (herpes Zoster, rheumatoid arthritis etc.) and destroy the cells which protect us from cancer. My wife, a medical doctor and dentist has plenty of anecdotal evidence among her patients and family. For a more data-based view I recommend Dr. Ryan Cole tinyurl.com/3ez28djk . He is convincing and there is nothing in this for him other than being cast out into the wilderness.
Spud’s published another one of his ‘everything must change, we need love and peace and fluffy bunnies and me in charge of everything’ blogs.
It finishes ominously.
“Survival, I suggest, depends upon it.”
@decnine: Even if you know you’re getting a placebo. The second order placebo effect is real.
@AndrewC: complete with sycophantic response from Pilgrim Slight Return. It’s got to be a sock puppet.
I agree with everything Spud says. Even before he says it.
“Looking for a C change
Posted on November 29 2021
“In a blog post this morning I called for politics based on care, community, cooperation, coordination, and conviviality.
In response, a commentator has suggested to me that we need to rid ourselves of the curses of competition, cheapness and convenience.
We are looking for a C change.”
Major C change right enough, no mention at all of Candid….
@ Tim,
You are assuming that your readers know that state schools play soccer – those overseas might not realise this
Anxiety is listed as a major indicator of negative prognosis, along with the usual age, diabetes, etc.
So I’d expect the placebo effect to be quite strong.
Is there a “nocebo” effect? The experience of Peru, which experienced devastating infection rates while using the Chinese Sinovac, suggests there might be.
I’d certainly be very dubious of a “cure” supplied by the person who infected me, never mind the notorious attitude to safety and quality control.
Far better to get a drug that’s approved by Fauci and Whitty…
No, scrub that last bit.
@philip: Is there a “nocebo” effect?
Yes. Less research done on it than placebos though.
“The “vaccines” make you more vulnerable to infection after the first dose“
Certainly agree within 10 days after first jab I was admitted to critical care with covid and wife was also ill but not as bad, digging around it seems this was very common and there’s a lot of very shoddy data collection/analysis and unanswered questions from official sources
The level of misinformation from medical services is shocking, just this week we had advertising that getting vaccinated protects you from variants followed by we all need to panic over omicron. It seems a strange coincidence this crops up right as approvals for boosters are being discussed
Murphy calls for more conviviality? How many groups has he stormed out of now?
Philip,
We had the sino vacines here in Thailand. As I imperfectly understand it, they are regular flu vaccines “tuned” for the original covid. They have proved ineffective against variants.
Philip,
We had the sino vacines here in Thailand. As I imperfectly understand it, they are regular flu vaccines “tuned” for the original covid. They have proved ineffective against variants.