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Ah, yes, the prodnoses

So, zero carbon jet fuel is entirely possible, if expensive currently, Lots of effort being out into making it cheaper.

For some experts, reducing flying is the only genuine path to achieving net zero,

Ah, yes, for some it’s not actually about carbon at all, is it?

15 thoughts on “Ah, yes, the prodnoses”

  1. “……reducing flying is the only genuine path ……”
    For goodness sake, don’t tell that eco friend of the earth dame, Emma Thompson, because she “simply has to”.

  2. What is the optimum concentration of CO2? Below 200 ppM plants can’t photosynthesise and we all die. 400 ppM seems fine to me, and depending on the temperature sensitivity 800 ppM would be perfectly acceptable and possibly beneficial. You’d have to breathe air at levels well above 5,000 ppM to feel any negative effects.

  3. My dear, you have simply no idea how wonderful and unspoilt the Costa del Whatsit used to be before they put up all those horrendous towering hotels and all those ghastly people started going. Just a simple taverna, olive and orange trees, and everyone had these adorable donkeys…

  4. Why do the leftie brigade like going on holiday in under developed locations? For some reason they like relaxing in places with bad roads, wonky buildings and bars that are one huff away from collapse. What is wrong with quality hotels, decent roads and elegant restaurants serving decent food?

  5. Salamander: they like those as well, but as we get to go in those places too, it’s a bit like slumming it. However Nether Shithole does pall quickly so slumming it is the only option. Such a drear life!

  6. Its weird, if you suggest putting people in a metal tube and transporting them en masse from A to B using a massive system of metal rails, extensive earthworks, bridges, tunnels and viaducts and huge buildings every so often along the way, thats environmentally friendly and called ‘public transport’ and is a a Double Plus Good Thing.

    But if you put them in a metal tube and transport them en masse from A to B from one simple concrete strip to another with no infrastructure required in between, then thats killing the planet and must be stopped at all costs.

  7. Bloke in North Dorset

    “ Ah, yes, for some it’s not actually about carbon at all, is it?”

    That’s the reason the term watermelon was coined.

    There’s a BBC R4 Analysis program from about 2010 where they interviewed a woman who organised conferences for greenies. She was rather scathing of their motives and reckoned that if she stood in front of them and said she had a magic wand that would allow her to suspend the laws of physics and CO2 would no longer be a cause of warming, only 20% would want her to wave it.

  8. “What is wrong with quality hotels, decent roads and elegant restaurants serving decent food?”

    Those are in the first world country where you do your “work”, i.e. what gets you money.

    But you need to get away from all the hoi polloi that infest those places. So you find some place that’s out the back of beyond. The way that you know it’s the back of beyond is there’s no one who looks like you there (except your handlers), and the infrastructure is of a quality that suggests they won’t come there.

  9. . . . if she stood in front of them and said she had a magic wand that would allow her to suspend the laws of physics and CO2 would no longer be a cause of warming . . .

    No need for magic, according to the laws of physics CO2 no longer causes any significant direct warming. You could dramatically increase the amount to where it would cause respiration problems and it would still make little warming difference.

    Both sides of the climate debate agree on this. Where they diverge is on the consequences of the CO2 induced heating already present. The catastrophists argue that there will be secondary forcings, primarily an increase in water vapour (the real greenhouse gas), that lead to danger. This does require the Earth’s climate system to be a positive feedback mechanism. Given that Earth is still habitable for life after countless heating events over billions of years, that seems unlikely. A negative feedback system is indicated.

  10. . . . how wonderful and unspoilt the Costa del Whatsit used to be before they put up all those horrendous towering hotels and all those ghastly people started going.

    It’s true, though. Counter-sneering the sneerers is justified, but that doesn’t change the fact that all those places were better before they became Skegness on the Med.

    I count myself lucky to have seen, in my youth, a slice of the world before it was trashed.

  11. Plenty of the world is untrashed.

    My wife and basically don’t go anywhere we know the sights of already or which have major air hubs, and we travel off season.

    That still leaves massive European cities like Lyon and Bucharest. They aren’t crawling with tourists.

    Luckily we don’t like lying on beaches doing nothing. That tends to be where the big crushes are. Because those places are all warm, they tend to be nice enough in autumn though. When they are cheaper too.

    Because nowadays time is not an issue we don’t fly much either. You’ll find much of the feel of massive crowds of tourists comes from the airports. Going to a railway or bus station to do the same trip, broken in the middle for some variety, is very different.

  12. A few years ago we did an end of season trip to Spain with the kids.
    Ended up in Port Aventura for Halloween the final week before everything shuts up shop to the tourists.

    Fantastic to see all the Spanish families out and about cutting loose over Halloween and the whole place had a friendly, relaxed, carnival atmosphere. Completely at odds with how it’s usually like during the high season.
    It’s how I would prefer to travel on grounds of cost & flexibility, and my aversion to crowds.

    Prior to Covid, this sort of thing was difficult to do with kids in tow – the school nazis would whinge that taking your kid away from school would ruin their education.
    I think that argument has been blown out the water, but no doubt the two faced liars will try it on again.

    Besides, isn’t global air travel only 2.5% of global CO2 emissions anyway? For that reason alone we know that this isn’t about saving the planet, this is about restricting free movement to the elite and the elite alone. Doing anything but ridiculing these idiots is tantamount to conceding that they have a point and all thats left is to negotiate the terms of our surrender. It’s about time that people stopped giving up ground and started pushing back.

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