Here’s the mistake

I had a long and decent discussion with one of the architects of the Gender Recognition Act last month. He said to me, “I recognise the free speech issues in your case, but don’t you see that calling a transwoman ‘male’ or ‘he’ is as offensive as calling a black person a nigger?”

No, I said, it is not.

Doesn’t matter whether it is or it isn’t. Calling someone a nigger might get your teeth pushed in – unless you happen to be black apparently – might get you fired and most certainly isn’t something I’d recommend. Yet it is still that issue of free speech. You can say – absent libel and incitement to immediate violence – what the hell you like, you just have to put up with the consequences.

That everyone around you will punish you for calling someone nigger is just fine. That the law might try to ban us from doing so is an abomination. And that’s where the battle is being lost. The only defensible line of where other peoples’ feelings about what is said may define what it is legal to say is “none”.

The only free speech issue is whether we have it or not.

19 thoughts on “Here’s the mistake”

  1. Sort of. But Acts against incitement to violence, riot, etc have been around a very long time. To general approval, I submit.

  2. That the law might try to ban us from doing so is an abomination.

    There’s no “might try” about it, the law already does so ban us.

    The only free speech issue is whether we have it or not.

    We don’t.

  3. and if you do get your teeth pushed in—the pusher has committed an offence against the pushee- otherwise its not free speech either.

  4. “but don’t you see that calling a transwoman ‘male’ or ‘he’ is as offensive as calling a black person a nigger?””

    Well, no, it isn’t. Nigger is an insult aimed at a group. “male” is not an insult. It’s also more accurate than calling them female. Got a womb? No. Prostate? Yes. Actual vagina? No. Adam’s apple? Yes. You’ve got a delusion that you’re a woman? You’re free to say that, but don’t expect me to join in with this. You’re a man dressed up as a woman, or possibly, a man who has had his genitals removed and replaced with something that looks like (but isn’t) a vagina.

    It would be like me slapping an Aston Martin logo on my VW Polo and saying it’s an Aston Martin. It’s about as convincing as some of the dudes with wigs and 2 day stubble claiming to be women.

  5. There has been for longer than I can remember a statute criminalising, in the UK, conduct liable to lead to a breach of the peace. So if you expect to get your teeth pushed by calling someone, of whatever hue, “a nigger” then it is a crime to so call him or her (or “they”).

    The consequences of exercising your right to free speech are not just an appointment with the dentist but also joining the puncher in his/her/their visit to the cells.

    I must add that I have, on occasion, erred by referring to a transwoman as “he” and that the response was a sadly disappointed reproof from their friends (including my wife who was rather more vehement than the others).

  6. Bloke in the Fourth Reich

    Yeah, and. Consequences.

    Call someone, anyone, a nigger at work, and you get fired. Who objects? No one of sound brain. That’s your consequence. Not prosecution, but the inevitable consequence of destroying your assumption of trust with employer and colleagues, because you can’t use that word, and everyone knows it.

    What is the actual difference between that and misgendering?

    I’d say the only real difference is it’s easier to do, a lot easier. It’s easy to remember not to use certain universally grossly offensive words, but hard to remember this week’s correct 4.58th^e-1 -personth pronoun for gendershifting dragonkin. Trust me, I had to learn German, which is the only thing harder.

    Spend some time around white saffers, even racially and historically aware white saffers (is there any other kind?), and hear the complete lack of up-to-the-minute wokeness in racial descriptions. Misgendering is innocent unless done with intent.

  7. Calling someone, especially in this day and age, a “nigger” is a deliberate and contrived insult. Especially when your racial descent should not even matter to begin with. Deeds, louder than, and all that… I can see how people can get offended over that, especially when applied to themselves.

    Now.. Calling someone, in light of several centuries of linguistics, and in light of the evidence of our eyes, either Male or Female is simply a matter of fact.
    Either do a damn good job of fooling the casual observer, even when compared to absolute munters, or admit you’ve failed. Horribly.

    One can *take* offense, but…

  8. It’s all founded on dodgy linguistics to start with. *Nobody* calls *anybody* “he” or “him”, they call them Alice or Bob or Sue or whatever. They may *REFER* to them as “he” or “him”, but that’s not *CALLING* them “he” or “him”.

    Dint any of these idiots get clipped ’round the lugoyle as a kid by their Mam? “He”‘s got a name (wallop)!

  9. I know someone who is transgender.A 50 something male who has had surgery to rearrange just about everything and presents himself as a less than convincing woman. My wife and her female friends refer to him as She, but I cannot bring myself to join in the deception. In kinder times he would have been treated for the mental health problems he obviously has, not encouraged in them.

  10. This is simply a case of argument by false analogy.

    “…as offensive as calling a black person made-up to look like a white person ‘black'” would be the correct analogy here.

  11. I know three Male-To-Female changers (that I know of), (the statistical high number probably due to being in the arms-deep nuts’n’bolts end of the software engineering sector), and I just refer to them by their name, as I would anybody else.

  12. I’d argue that calling someone a nigger instead of black would actually have been more polite in the sweet bye and bye. After all it’s the way someone who doesn’t know Latin would pronounce negro.

    But no doubt the African colonists felt it was a case of the natives being insufficiently respectful to the settlers.

  13. What BoM4 said, in spades.

    And no, John77, you didn’t ‘err’ at all. You might have not observed modern social niceties, but you were accurate.

  14. I must add that I have, on occasion, erred by referring to a transwoman as “he” and that the response was a sadly disappointed reproof from their friends (including my wife who was rather more vehement than the others).

    Lol, weak.

    Especially when your racial descent should not even matter to begin with.

    I fear you haven’t been paying attention. The new woke order isn’t a shiny equalitarian utopia, it’s a racial and sexual hierarchy with normal white men at the bottom.

    Ultimately, you deserve what you tolerate.

  15. Freedom of Speech only for socially acceptable speech is not Freedom of Speech. That’s the same as a business promoting a “storewide sale” only on select items.

  16. Dave Chappelle, on a conversation he had with the Comedy Central standards & practices department:

    “And as I was leaving, it occurred to me. ‘Hey. Hey, Renée, quick question. It’s just a question. Seriously, I wanna know. Like, wh-why is it… why is it that… that I can say the word ‘nigger’ with impunity… …but I can’t say the word ‘faggot’?’ And she said, ‘Because, David, you are not gay.’ I said, ‘Well, Renée… I’m not a nigger either.’”

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