I dunno, really, I dunno

At a press conference with high-profile lawyer Gloria Allred, she described having become acquainted with Noth when they both used to go to the same restaurant in New York.

She said he offered a lift home on a Saturday night and then asked to come up to her apartment, where they drank wine while her roommates were asleep.

Ms Gentile claimed Noth then leaned her against a kitchen counter, started forcibly kissing her and put his hands aggressively” under her shirt while she tried to push them away.

As she yelled “No I don’t want this” he became “extremely angry” and called her a “tease” and a “b—,” she claimed.

And that – apart from “I’ll destroy you if you tell anyone” seems to be that.

One reading is a would be consensual shag on the one side, not on the other, that was misunderstood. Leading to verbals when the misunderstanding was made clear.

Another is a sexual assault of the most vile and can we get Whoopi in to define it please?

And, umm, well? What’s the general opinion? Of course one should not misread signals – up to the apartment, wine, late at night, try a smooch and grab for the paps. And, also, one should read the signals right, late at night, up to the apartment for a drinkie, try a smooch and see what happens.

Getting pissed at a refusal might not be gentlemanly but he didn’t then go on to insist, which is.

And?

17 thoughts on “I dunno, really, I dunno”

  1. “A singer has claimed Chris Noth, the “Sex and the City” actor, threatened to ruin her career if she went public with a sexual allegation.”

    What career? Never heard of the lady, so made the mistake of hitting one of her youtube links.
    Root canal done with a very New York Nasal cheese grater.

  2. As a general principle, if Ms Allred is on one side of a dispute, then you will find me on the diametrically opposite side……

  3. “tease” seems about the size of it though the “extreme anger” suggests he’s a bit of a lout. Presumably some people manage to take a refusal with good grace.

  4. I guess if you are a good-looking famous actor you don’t have many refusals, so you don’t get to practice keeping cool about it. Most of us lesser men learn the hard way, which is why we are usually nicer people than good-looking actors.

  5. Roommates? How many did she have in there? All girls or a couple of blokes & a tranny to make for variety? One can understand why the geezer might have presumed he was onto a cert.

    Or is this an Americanism for flatmates? In which case she’ll have collateral. You don’t start yelling in the middle of the night without someone waking up. No one came & asked what the ruckus was about? Willing to back up this epic tale?

  6. This was such a serious crime that naturally she waited 20 years and until the minor celebrity involved had a new film out to complain about his wandering hands.

    In other Hollywood news, James Franco of the Spiderman films from 20 years ago fame paid £2m to some women who accused him of having consensual heterosexual sex with them after they signed up for his acting class.

    I mean, women make sure you pay for shags one way or another, but this is getting a bit daft.

  7. I’m going with the dunno on this one. Maybe he was pushy, but I’ve been out with a few women who were happy to catch up multiple times, invited me back to their place, and were “shocked” when I tried to kiss them. I’ve never said ‘tease’, but I’ve thought it.

    On the other hand, I’ve always taken no for an answer. So on that count he sounds like an arsehole.

    Thankfully I’m now safely married and don’t have to worry about this stuff anymore 🙂

  8. I’m 60 now, and not once have I made an advance which hasn’t been rebuffed, not even once. Yet every time an advance has been made on me, I’ve enthusiastically reciprocated, ‘cos I’m a bloke. That’s what we do. It just feels terrible to rebuff a girl’s advances. How must a girl feel if that happens?

    It strikes me that we’ve got it all the wrong way around. It really should be the social norm that it’s the woman who makes the advances, and never the man. All these difficulties and misunderstandings would disappear at once.

  9. Every one of these cases sounds like some hooker sending in an overlooked bill. Including the current Maxwell farce in NYC. The fact that they’re happening rather proves the point. Woman seek to monetise the assets.
    I do suspect the fragrant Ghislaine will be found guilty. Seems inevitable. Although I can’t work out for what. “Grooming” young girls? Why would anyone bother? There’s an unlimited supply of thoroughly clued up, hard as nails, 16 y/o’s would jump at the opportunity. Just a hint & you’d be fighting them off. Under 16 y/o’s if one was naive enough not to check their documentation. Sorry, that’s just the way the world is. Not as nice & innocent as you’d like it to be.

  10. Bloke in North Dorset

    I’m 60 now, and not once have I made an advance which hasn’t been rebuffed, not even once. Yet every time an advance has been made on me, I’ve enthusiastically reciprocated, ‘cos I’m a bloke. That’s what we do. It just feels terrible to rebuff a girl’s advances. How must a girl feel if that happens?
    When Norah Vincent spent a year disguised as a man she reportedly said the hardest part was living with all the rejections from women.

    Some of Vincent’s most appalling stories are about going on dates, through which self-involved, demanding and resentfully unhappy women never ask about Ned, his feelings or his past, and never shut up about theirs. Single women might be well advised to read this chapter as a How-not-to guide. Determined to have their cake and eat it, Ned’s dates expect an impossible combination of new-age sensitivity and old-fashioned toughness. Ned learns not only how relentlessly men are obliged to suffer romantic rejection, but how hard it is to surmount a woman’s cumulative grudges against their whole sex. “When a woman approaches a man armed to the teeth with ulterior wounds for which men as a species are presumptively to blame, the man has no choice but to fight back, and when everything he says and does is measured against the front-loaded politics of sex, he can’t help but shrivel or putrefy under the scrutiny.” Intelligent, articulate and perceptive, Self-Made Man has much to offer men and women alike.
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2006/apr/01/highereducation.biography

  11. “It strikes me that we’ve got it all the wrong way around. It really should be the social norm that it’s the woman who makes the advances, and never the man. All these difficulties and misunderstandings would disappear at once.”

    But then women would have nothing to complain about, which would never do……

  12. “I’ll destroy you if you tell anyone” Is the worst thing there. If he said that then it’s a real insight into his attitude towards other people and willingness to use his power against people who, in this instance, simply don’t want to fuck him.

    It doesn’t mean he sexually assaulted this woman, or any other women.. but it does predispose me to think that he’s the sort of person who would, and who thinks he has the power to get away with it. He, shall we say, fits the pattern. My predisposition isn’t evidence though.

    So, on those facts, no.. sounds like he made an overly-aggressive pass and acted like a prick when he got rebuffed. Not at all nice for the lady, but all in the side of the line that shouldn’t end up in court and shouldn’t ruin a career. But the “I’ll destroy you”, said by someone with the power to carry through in it, is a huge red flag and, in itself, marks him as a terrible person who is best stripped of the power he sees fit to abuse.

  13. “At a press conference…”? When did a press conference, become part of the standard process of making an allegation to the police.

    They’re trying to win in the court of public opinion, not the actual courts.

  14. @Mario
    You have absolutely no collateral for that opinion. It’s simply what she’s saying two decades after the supposed incident. Those could easily have been her words if it played out somewhat differently than she’s recounting.
    As I’ve said many times before, when one is told something the first question to ask oneself is why you’re being told it?

  15. @bis

    If we’re taking the account as being true in order to say that he didn’t assault her, then it seems fair to assume it’s true to draw other conclusions. If she was making stuff up to suit her case then bets are off.. but the relative mildness of the accusation makes it an odd thing to make up.

    If someone tells me she went upstairs with a famous actor, he made a pass, and it got a bit ugly and ended.. then I assume I am being told it because that’s broadly what happened. YMMV.

    And when someone tells me an account of a meetoo incident that obviously doesn’t fit with the general notion of what has been going on that the ‘movement’ wants to portray… well I ask myself why they are amplifying that particular, and atypical, incident. Again, YMMV.

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