Labour’s best route to power is coalition, whether the party admits it or not
Rafael Behr
Aka, not enough people believe the same weird shit we do.
Labour’s best route to power is coalition, whether the party admits it or not
Rafael Behr
Aka, not enough people believe the same weird shit we do.
The current best coalition parent for Labour is the SNP. Giving the SNP want they want would end the coalition. Back to square one.
To hold power in the UK you need the backing of most of the English. Labour has spent the past 30 odd years pissing on the idea of English culture and identity.
A depressing thought I had this morning is that as my MP has decided to support the government restrictions again, I will vote for whoever has the best chance of beating him at the next election.
That is the only chance liebour has. I don’t care that they’ll be worse, I just do not want this bunch of c***s anywhere near power for a hundred years or as long as the consequences of their actions over the last two years take to disappear (whichever is the longer).
The choice between shit and shite was never more stark.
Tory scum out on their arses= good. Replaced by even more commie scum like a Labour/SNP team up =worse.
Freedom/markets create a nice lifestyle for bureaucratic leftist scum. Which will vanish v quick once the evil Marxist economic wrecking kicks off. Blojob J seems determined to follow the plan and many cowards are with him cos they are dumb/fearful. Johnson’s problem is that millions around the UK/world now see through the scheme and are resisting. As will I.
If Bogus and gang win then it will be greenfreak social credit poverty and tyranny–probably forever. Unless the wipeout is on the cards. Then it will be mass death. So all we can do is not obey the edicts and make his costumed thugs work.
The problem for Labour is that they decided to position themselves as the anti-English party after having pi**ed off the Scots but before having managed to import sufficient Africans and Asians to vote them into permanent power.
If they ever want power again, they’re going to have to reverse their policies on almost everything, stop pandering to non-Whites and appeal directly to the English people.
I don’t think they could ever bring themselves to do that and nor would the majority of English voters believe they meant it if they did.
Some day the Islamic and Bame vote Labour has been courting will become large enough to ditch Labour and form a party of its own. Then Labour will be left with a limited number of daft lefties and the remains of the ‘I’ve always voted Labour because my dad did.’ cohort.
rhoda, I don’t think they’ll do that, they’ll just kill the Labour party from the inside and wear its skin to try and conceal the reality of what it’s become.
Given the penchant of some communities for consanguineous marriages, I do wonder if Labour as destined to the fate of the Liberal Democrats.
Thanks to our “Universities” and media there are enough people to support an “Anti White British” party and keep them in power long enough to abolish the UK. Luckily they are constrained by their in-fighting over who gets the top jobs, and by their concentration in cities.
Labour’s most valuable – maybe sole – asset is the name. That’s why there’s so much fighting for control of the party, they know if they left and set up some other party the voters would still be putting their cross next to the word Labour on the ballot paper regardless of the actual policies. To get the votes they need /their/ candidates there with ‘Labour’ next to their name.
Jonathan, you are prrobably right. They will have no problem outbreeding the Guardian-reading segment with their ‘I won’t bring children into this threatened planet’ nonsense. And then there’s the inbreeding. The Guardianistas, not the other.
Labour’s already in power.
Delia is largely right: a change in governing party doesn’t seem to make any difference to the policies enacted.
Long march through the institutions and all that, plus the debasement of the so-called ‘ Conservative’ party, which hasn’t actually conserved a single thing for at least 60 years.
Ha, nobbling the system, that’s Rafael’s solution, and if it’s how they get into power how is it that they stay in power- ?:further nobbling.
Jonathan
“…….Conservative’ party, which hasn’t actually conserved a single thing for at least 60 years.”
Not true, they are doing a marvellous job of preserving the liberal Blairite consensus.
That’s the trouble with the Conservatives (versus conservatives) they ‘conserve’ the Establishment. And, currently, the Establishment is liberal.
They are all Whigs. In all parties. With a smattering of neutered Tories dotted around. Oh for more Dr Johnson types and his astute observation that “Lucifer was the first Whig.”
Destroy Labour. Let politics revert to Whigs vs Tories. Somebody will have to found a Tory party but that shouldn’t be beyond the wit of man. Then vote the Tories into office on a platform of hanging most government employees.
Recusant; if the Establishment were liberals that would be an improvement but they’re not, they’re leftists. ( Unless you’re using ‘liberal’ in it’s American sense.)
Jonathan – I am.
I don’t want the Conservatives to “conserve” stuff, really. I am a Maoist in that I believe(d) in Permanent Revolution and Brexit was supposed to be the New Dawn.
But just as Major betrayed Thatcher’s revolution so has BJ squandered the chances offered after the lickspittle running dog Comrade May was deposed. The Tories have reverted to type and as pointed out earlier only conserve The Establishment.
Also with Covid and as demonstrated by Blair/Brown inevitably after a revolution comes The Terror.
Labour’s best route to power? Go stand for election in Albania? Although the Tory Party could prove a strong challenge to them.
Addolff,
Many moons ago we had a labour politician in what was considered a safe urban seat Down Under. She managed to piss-off a large segement of the electorate in a Big Way. The best chance of dumping her was to vote for a bright green bird. An unspoken word went out far and wide and sure enough on polling day bright green bird was a very happy and unexpected new MP. Next election we dumped her.
Never thought I live to see us plebs putting up such a united front with no drum beating and no obvious organised action. Gave me momentary hope for the future.
And then we elected Cindy. Ho hum.
Ottokring,
I had a moment of clarity a few days ago, when I realised that people get the government they deserve.
There was a time when I thought that once people got online, they’d be gradually discovering the Worstalls, the Marginal Revolutions and so forth and we’d get some sort of libertarian revolution. People would realise how broken it all was and start demanding their taxes to be put back in their pockets.
But they’re just not. They lack curiosity about say, mask data, even if they can figure it out. They watch some News MILF parroting government lines on the BBC, as if they’re any smarter than a monkey reading an autocue.
All they want is even more leisure and irresponsibility. They want the government to deal with their kids watching porn, rather than being a parent. They never once stop to ask if any of these people have a clue. A minister has told them they’re going to do it, and so they can go and watch another few hours of Strictly Come Bake Off.
We’re just stuck with this shit. The only sensible course of action is avoiding taxes and milking the state for all you can get.
Under our system the parties are coalitions. The difference is they hammer out their agreements before an election and present a manifesto. The electorate can then use that as a basis for decision making, or not.
OK I’d doesn’t always run smoothly but it mostly works that way and the few times it hasn’t the electorate punished the party that screwed about, didn’t the Mr Heath and Mr Clegg?
In the PR systems the parties draw up wish lists that are more designed to keep the wackier end of their voter base happy than appeal to the wider electorate in the sure knowledge they can ditch, sorry bargain away, the daftest policies. The electorate then gets a mishmash of policies that they had no say in
If the left don’t like that they need to coalesce in to a single party, but that’s never going to happen because the only thing they’ll ever agree on is that they hate Tories.
Under PR, the people vote, and then the politicians decide who has won.