We do all understand triage, yes

Children with learning disabilities were offered “do not resuscitate” orders during the pandemic, The Telegraph can disclose.

GP surgeries asked if teenagers with autism and Down’s syndrome wanted not to be resuscitated, amid concerns about the pressure on the NHS.

The Telegraph has spoken to two families who were asked about the controversial orders – known as DNACPRs – during routine appointments.

Both families live in Kent and The Telegraph has seen an apology from their local health authority – who they have asked us not to name – saying that the question should not be asked.

The families said that they believed they were only asked about DNACPRs because of their child’s learning disability.

But it is all a bit eugenic, isn’t it?

15 thoughts on “We do all understand triage, yes”

  1. Rub a “pro-choice” advocate and they’ll usually start spouting eugenics soon enough. As well as “Be Kind”, obviously 🙂

  2. No, it’s not at all ‘a bit eugenic’. It’s wholly eugenic and I can only hope some of the horrified parents now waking up were previously clapping like demented seals for these bastards…

  3. Eugenic, yes, but also practical. I have a DNACPR recorded with my local hospital because CPR is brutal and not very successful, unlike in medical soap operas. In the best hospitals there’s maybe 20-40% chance of it working, where “working” is defined as simply “not dead”. You will certainly have smashed ribs, possibly a punctured lung (or two), and very probably brain damage. You also are likely to die in the next 12 months anyway, and breathing will be painful for much of that due to the broken ribs. Outside a hospital your odds of survival are much lower and brain damage is pretty certain. I’d rather go relatively quickly and painlessly.

  4. Bloke in North Dorset

    That headline is totally misleading and clickbait. It reads as if the children were asked to make that decision, not their parents.

    A tough question to ask but not an unreasonable one. As Arthur says that results can be quite distressing for patient and parents.

  5. As they say, there’s no such thing as a quiet death in hospital, you die with a junior doctor leaping up and down on your chest.

  6. There’s a reason why Kent & Sussex Hospital in Tunbridge Wells is known locally as Kent & Suff-It.

    Still, envy of the world and all that…

  7. CPR is not the last resort for covid cases, artificially induced coma and intubation is. At that point the mental condition of the patient is irrelevant. So it’s a bit baffling why this CPR issue was ever raised.

    Personally if I got covid badly enough to go to hospital I’d get a tattoo saying Do Not Intubate first.

  8. Read to the end. “Several days after the appointment with the doctor, Mrs Corns and her husband sat down with Oliver and asked him how he would like to be treated following a serious accident. … If your heart stopped, would you like the doctors to try to save your life or would you like to die?, we said to him.”

    So *that* was the question the medic asked. A perfectly reasonable one. But somehow that bit about a serious accident that made your heart stop didn’t make it into the first 690 words of the article. I wonder why. Couldn’t be because it totally destroys the story, could it?

  9. My cardiologist, now retired, told me what death to choose. A nice, quick cardiac arrest, he said; for God’s sake don’t die of heart failure. Ever since I’ve been struck that The Media routinely muddles together cardiac arrest, heart failure, and heart attack. I can see why doctors sometime prefer to use latinate language.

  10. Bloke in North Korea (Germany province)

    Sure, you don’t want to die of heart failure, but also not of liver failure, kidney failure, degenerative brain failure, or, to a slightly lesser extent, respiratory failure. You don’t tend to get to choose cardiac arrest though (to the extent it isn’t the inevitable endpoint of the above).

    DNR is a choice for terminal, palliative, long-term old age care patients not young people with Down syndrome, with INFORMED CONSENT, ideally of the patient themselves. The eugenics bit is choosing for other people (I guess strictly not for people beyond their reproductive years but they are still human). Making your own choice is always fine but not always possible.

  11. “You don’t tend to get to choose cardiac arrest”: consider it possible my cardiologist knew what he was talking about.

  12. US CDC drops quarantine to 5 days but says you have to wear a mask everywhere even at home for 10 days, they really have got to the point of just making stuff up to see what they can get away with

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *