This amuses

From Churchill to Pearl Harbor, Zelenskiy’s speeches push the right buttons abroad
Analysis: Ukrainian leader’s addresses to foreign legislatures focus on each country’s history

Odd, isn’t it? Scriptwriter knows something about rhetoric?

27 thoughts on “This amuses”

  1. Now that the NYT has finally acknowledged the authenticity of Hunter Biden’s laptop, could one explore the reasons for cheerleading Ukraine without being accused of conspiracy theory?

    Apropos both the First Cokehead and the potential WW3:
    “The legal issues are massive, yet one of the key takeaways from the admission and revelations is even bigger than the scandal within the story. All of those intelligence agencies, that said the Hunter Biden laptop was “Russian disinformation”, were purposefully and intentionally lying. All of the current and former administration officials were also lying, and the entire institutional media complex was part of the lying construct.

    All of their denials, false statements, malicious attacks against the people telling the truth, and all of the Big Tech censorship that was purposefully and intentionally deployed to keep the lies retained, was done in an effort to manufacture a protective shield for Joe Biden. They didn’t get it wrong, they were not mistaken, they didn’t misreport or misstate the facts – they willfully and purposefully lied.

    To the extent that any institutional credibility remained, all of that is now gone – as the house of cards collapses. However, there is a more consequential aspect that needs to be emphasized. When you accept that our government, all intelligence agencies and officials, and all of the collaboration with media and big tech was built on a foundation of manipulative lying, WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE CURRENT NARRATIVE AROUND UKRAINE?”
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/17/new-york-times-admits-hunter-biden-laptop-evidence-was-accurate-the-intelligence-community-was-lying/

  2. The Meissen Bison

    Even allowing for the link between Ukraine and the First Cokehead :-)it’s not unreasonable to extend one’s scepticism to the current narrative about any subject?

  3. And a comedian knows how to play an audience.

    Back when I was an undergrad I had one lecturer whose lectures were truly gripping, even on classical thermodynamics, which is usually boring as drying paint. Two years later we found out he was member of the Magic Circle and had a second job as a magician.

  4. TMB: so in the interests of allowing the public to view and evaluate conflicting narratives, Ofcom pulls RT’s licence despite restating there have been no violations over the past ffour years?

  5. The Meissen Bison

    Ljh – You’re quite right. The point is probably not so much to protect us poor innocent dupes from wicked propaganda but to garner jingoistic headlines on the “approved theme” in the media. Does anyone here watch RT? Possibly Steve for the Lols?

    My own recipe for happiness over the last years has been to keep away from radio, tv, newspapers, social media and syringes. I will admit to suffering a twinge of conscience at the slight uplift I feel every time a new round of jabs is announced.

  6. I think the Ukrainians really need to have a plan to blow the crimea-Russian mainland bridge. Built at High cost (and higher opportunity cost) to the russians. It would help the war but also if the Russians are going to get the crimea in the peace then they’ll have to rebuild it at their cost.

  7. I think the Ukrainians really need to have a plan to blow the crimea-Russian mainland bridge. Built at High cost (and higher opportunity cost) to the russians. It would help the war but also if the Russians are going to get the crimea in the peace then they’ll have to rebuild it at their cost.

    Incentives wise it would encourage the Russians to keep the coastal route they’ve just acquired at similarly high cost.

  8. TMB: I started watching RT during the Tottenham riots when the BBc would have me believe it was all white middle class students. RT actually showed the demographic in panning shots of the assembled rabble. Also if RT broadcasts Putin’s demands, I know that is what Putin is demanding whereas the approved media are in a rush to edit and interpret. I was taken aback by how all the talking head ‘experts’ somehow knew what his strategy to invade was. Surely Covid exposed the mendacity of approved experts?

  9. I understand Zelensky was berating Germasny for continuing to buy Russian gas.
    Delivered by pipeline through the Ukraine.
    Are the Russians paying the transit charges?
    Are the Ukrainians collecting the transit charges?
    Something doesn’t add up.

  10. @Ljh
    Now that the NYT has finally acknowledged the authenticity of Hunter Biden’s laptop, could one explore the reasons for cheerleading Ukraine without being accused of conspiracy theory?

    Well, there are certain presentation warnings of conspiracy theorists.

    WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE CURRENT NARRATIVE AROUND UKRAINE?

    Then there are reasoning indicators:

    – “The same people who manipulated the 2020 outcome are the same people who weaponized the COVID-19 crisis; they are the same people currently weaponizing the Ukraine crisis and demanding the United States get further involved in a war against Russia.”

    Yet these same people are now highlighting something that makes their installed Biden administration look really bad in connection to Ukraine?

    Apparently, “it is all connected” but of course the connections aren’t explained. There is an invitation to GO DEEP but I’m afraid the picture of the Eye of Sauron over the Capitol gave me the giggles.

  11. I presume, Ljh, you’re referring to the riots after the Duggan shooting in ’11, not the Broadwater Farm extravaganza or any other Tottenham riots, since riots are one of Tottenham’s endearing features. It was always on the verge of something. You’d see it all the time. It’d start with the police having some issue with a couple of the tinted, cause unknown. That’d attract any of the bros around to surround the police. From there it was just how they managed to extricate themselves from the situation. Calling for back-up might work or might exacerbate. Sometimes, mostly, the police just backed down.
    I was here in Spain but I’ve a lot of friends in North London. This was pre-smartfone & Whatsapp but there were a lot of Skype calls & bits of camera video being Skyped over. It was pretty obvious what was going on, on the ground, didn’t bear much resemblance to what I was seeing here on TV or reading in the papers. It wasn’t just them being choosy about video clips. The people they were showing interviews with were being chosen to support a particular narrative.
    Can’t help wondering how much that influenced the spread of riots to other areas & cities. You had other demographics being basically told it’s OK to plunder your local shopping centre because they’re doing it here. For…er… reasons.
    Early edition of “mostly peaceful rioting” a la USA, I s’pose

  12. Ljh – WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE CURRENT NARRATIVE AROUND UKRAINE?

    Yarp, but I’m surprised the question needs to be asked after two, miserable, mask-ridden years of being aggressively lied to about Covid, and all the preceding years of aggressive lies about Iraq, Afghanistan, yadda yadda.

    Every year is Year Zero in a world of clowns.

    Re: the Z-man:

    Each of Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s addresses to western legislatures has contained historical references carefully chosen to appeal to the audience; each has been greeted with a standing ovation

    Something, something about the fundamentally performative and scripted nature of modern Western politics. He’s not a Slavic Cicero, he’s gun-toting Greta. Don’t ask questions, just clap like seals and put Ukrainian flags in your social media profile, then get excited for Next Current Thing. (Climate change? Racism? Racist climate change? Racist Russian climate change? Anything is possible.)

    This isn’t Zelensky’s fault, though he is of course a puppet (most politicians are), but as an actor he’s in danger of becoming lost in his new role as Eastern European Churchill. Churchill had the luxuries of the English Channel, the British Empire, the Royal Navy, and the greatest scientific, technical and industrial establishments in the world to back up his rhetoric. Zelensky has Zoom and free tactical weapons supplied by ‘friends’ who’d be happy for him to fight to the last Ukrainian.

    Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, its armed forces are mostly surrounded and trapped, and it’s losing human capital it can’t afford to lose at an alarming rate. There’s no Dunkirk evacuation on the horizon. Even if he gets his frequently expressed wish and Nato agrees to fight Russia for him, it’s not obvious there would be much of a “Ukraine” left at the end of that mega-kerfuffle, and possibly not much of a Europe either.

    TMB – I don’t watch telly either, but I did notice the Russia Today website has been blocked (?) for a while now. You can still browse the internet for political/religious extremism and squirrel porn (or so I UNDERSTAND), but somebody decided you’re not allowed to see what the Russian version of Al-Beebra has to say, in case it damages our, eh, freedom and democracy?

    Despite being an 80’s-obsessed Kremlin secret agent who fondles a laminated photo of V. Putin while wearing Soviet-themed deely-boppers or whatever, I’m completely sold on the ideas that Putin is Bad, Russia is an authoritarian shithole, they should never have invaded Ukraine, and they will sorely regret it.

    But I also believe that anything They can do to Russia, They’ll do to me and you. The Western world already had a taster session for this with various vaccine mandates, house arrests, health passports and Trudeau seizing the bank accounts of his critics. Not to mention the 2020 corporate sponsored racial struggle sessions, where we established people shouldn’t be allowed to earn a living if they make outrageous claims such as “white lives matter”. I wouldn’t recommend swapping the moral and intellectual AIDS and increasingly aggressive woke Red Guardianism currently killing the West for brutal Slavic irredentism, but hey – at least it’s an ethos.

  13. I can remember when the news seemed to regularly show footage from some part of the Islamic world where a bunch of Ropers were kicking off about some slight against their prophet. Waving banners saying death to the west, stomping on burning flags, that kind of thing. I saw a long shot of one of these events somewhere that showed that the crowd of protesters was about ten in number.

  14. PJF “it would encourage the Russians to keep the coastal route they’ve just acquired at similarly high cost.”
    True it would but don’t think they’re keeping that in any scenario.

  15. . . . don’t think they’re keeping that in any scenario.

    There is still a scenario where they win (and blowing that bridge would increase their determination).

  16. TMB – I don’t watch telly either, but I did notice the Russia Today website has been blocked (?) for a while now.

    Has it? Not for me at the moment (in the UK) – I’ve just tried it?

  17. PF – I can’t connect to it on Android Chrome unless I use a VPN, so there’s some sort of fucketry afoot. Not sure if it’s at the ISP level or what but apparently it’s not accessible for a lot of people with various browser and ISP combos

  18. A quick glance suggests that RT.com is being DDOSed (which would hardly be surprising) and filtering connection attempts.

  19. Steve, the Ukranians aren’t “surrounded”. The Russians have barely moved in two weeks now.

    It’s looking entirely possible that the Ukrainians will win. If they get enough missiles to destroy the Russian armour, and keep the sky clear then they will.

    The Russian infantry won’t stop them.

  20. Steve, the Ukranians aren’t “surrounded”. The Russians have barely moved in two weeks now.

    Caution needed. The Allies were bottled up in Normandy for six weeks, their initial plans in tatters, unable to break the Germans. Until they did. And then it was a rout.

    Not saying this is the same scenario, but we do need to consider the possibility that the stalled situation isn’t particularly bad for the Russians. They didn’t lose their way to their current positions, and they aren’t sat there twiddling their thumbs. The Ukrainians clearly aren’t able to significantly counterattack. Western resupply can help the Ukrainians last much longer, and maybe defeat the invasion in the sense of containing it. But it’s highly unlikely the Ukrainians will win in the sense of driving their enemies before them and hearing the lamentations of their women.

    A negotiated settlement giving Putin what he wants is still the most likely outcome (Zelensky will have to leave or the Nazis will kill him). Then it’ll be the big rollback to grins and handshakes.

  21. Chester – Steve, the Ukranians aren’t “surrounded”. The Russians have barely moved in two weeks now.

    I’m afraid they are. The bulk of their army is in cities to the east and the south, in areas besieged by the Russians and their allies. If they retreat into open countryside, they’ll be murdered by air and artillery.

    This is why the Russians have barely advanced.

    PJF – maybe defeat the invasion in the sense of containing it

    Russia is a gangster state (as is Ukraine) and it’s helpful to keep that in mind when trying to figure out what they’re doing.

    Gangsters typically use some level of threat and violence to get what they want, but Tony Soprano would never kill a man and burn down his business in pursuit of protection money. He’d send the boys round to give him a shoeing until he agrees to pay. This isn’t an Iraq or Normandy style war of conquest/liberation, or even a Stalin style land grab, where the invaders would be in haste to seize the capital. It’s about putting the screws on Ukraine’s elites and Western backers, which is why they’re talking peace and waging war at the same time. Containing the invasion might get better terms for Ukraine, but it’s looking like those terms will be worse for them than if they’d come to terms before the war. The longer this drags on, the less likely whatever sort of Ukraine emerges will be politically and economically viable.

    Russia is almost incapable of losing the war in this situation, though they’re paying a heavy economic price and can easily lose the peace. Though so can we – we’re not as irresponsibly dependent on Russian hydrocarbons as Germany, but we’ve made our own silly decisions through Greeniebollocks and Covidbollocks that make us vulnerable to fuel price shocks and general inflation. Things were already fragile before the current Happening, the war is just a depressing fart-scented candle on top of a cake made out of dog eggs.

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