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Is this actually true?

Viktor Orban wins fourth term in Hungarian election
A jubilant Mr Orban has declared victory, with his Kremlin-backed Fidesz party so far winning 54.5 per cent of votes

Kremlin backed? Or is that just the “We wokesters don’t like him so let’s call him something”?

After all, I’d tend to think that being positively pro-Russian wouldn’t really work amongst Hungarians.

while a pro-European opposition coalition, United for Hungary, had nearly 34 per cent, according to the National Election Office.

Is it just that he’s not enthusiastically pro-EU?

his right-wing nationalist invective.

I’ve not been paying attention to this at all. Really pro-Russian is he?

25 thoughts on “Is this actually true?”

  1. Russia is really right wing, and Nazis are really right wing – according to the woke left.

  2. Kremlin backed? Or is that just the “We wokesters don’t like him so let’s call him something”?

    The second. Mostly it’s just the woke denouncing everyone that doesn’t sign up to their agenda as Nazis or Russian shills.

    As for Viktor Orbán and Fidesz, they are playing to their home audience more than the international one, since that’s how they remain in power.

    Viktor Orbán is pretty neutral on Russia and Putin mostly, since he’s reliant upon Russia for gas (via Panrusgáz) and can’t afford the costs of going elsewhere as Germany and others can, he’s not going to piss off his biggest supplier without just cause.

  3. The opposition leader said they lost because the voters have been “brainwashed”.
    I at first thought this was the usual lefty low opinion of the plebs, but after seeing what two years of the covid bollocks has achieved, he may have a point.

  4. The opposition leader said they lost because the voters have been “brainwashed”.

    The electorate certainly have been brainwashed. Mostly by Fidesz giving the electorate what they want rather than force feeding them Globohomo by the bucketload whether they like it or not.

    Unlike the UK where the Blairite place-men (and place-women) remain in their positions after 12 years of nominally “Tory” rule, when Fidesz took power they replaced those in control of the organs of the state with their own people, which is how it should be done. Removes the “Deep State” and makes it a function of the elected government and therefore replaceable.

    We would wish to have the same level of power over our own government and civil service.

  5. He expressed some reservations that the Hungarian speakers in west Ukraine were being discriminated against too by the anti-Russian language (or Ukrainian language only to be pedantic) laws.

  6. Peter Marki Zay the United leader didn’t even win in his own constituency.

    As JG says Orban is steering a neutral path. He is certainly no friend of Ukraine and the neutrality sits uneasily with the other Visegrad partners. It’s been 8 or9 yearssine I was in Budapest but what I did notice was the preponderance of Chinese students about the place.

    He reminds me of Tito, gets his bread buttered without giving up the whole loaf.

  7. John Galt +100

    They don’t need actual evidence; he must be a stooge of Putin because he doesn’t want Hungary flooded with third-world savages.
    Oh, and he booted out Georgie Soros and his works. Lol.

  8. He refused to let Hungary be a transit point for military supplies to Ukraine

    Which is fair enough. If you’re going to be neutral then you have to be impartial to both sides. Just because the UK and EU have decided to be gung-ho against Russian aggression doesn’t mean that is to everyone’s taste.

    Like Ukraine, Hungary is and remains a sovereign nation (except where nominally devolved to EU subsidiarity, obviously) and has the right to choose whether to get involved in the war on either side or remain neutral. Hungary’s preference is to remain neutral and given the landslide that Viktor Orbán has just secured, it looks like the Hungarian electorate agrees.

    Seems fair enough to me.

  9. “Wokesters”

    It’s the DT, increasingly worthless rag.

    “Kremlin backed”? What JG and others said. For example:

    His victory will not only alarm the EU but also Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s president, who had accused Mr Orban of being the “only one in Europe” to publicly back Russia and make “no effort to stop the war”.

    “The whole of Europe is trying to stop the war, to restore peace. Then why is official Budapest opposed to the whole of Europe, to all civilised countries? For what?”

    Etc.

    At his final campaign rally on Friday, the Hungarian prime minister told supporters supplying Ukraine with weapons would make the country a military target. “This isn’t our war, we have to stay out of it,” he said.

    They aren’t on message, which simply isn’t acceptable, even to the DT.

  10. The whole of Europe is trying to stop the war, to restore peace.

    My sides. Is this gonna be included in his DVD?

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    The opposition were allowed a couple of 5 minute TV slots the rest of the time the Fidesz and State controlled media were uncritical, at best, if not out and and pro Fidesz and Orbán.

    Was it brain washing? No and maybe Fidesz is that popular, but they weren’t taking chances.

  12. @BiND: Wouldn’t the lefties do exactly the same if the roles were reversed?

    One pretty accurate complaint about Viktor Orbán is that he’s used the lefts tools against them, reversing that Gramscian “long march through the institutions” with his own conservative one.

    How many pro-BRExit voices did you hear on the BBC between the commencement of the referendum campaign and it’s eventual outcome? Precious few by my accounting. How is that any different?

    What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

  13. “The opposition were allowed a couple of 5 minute TV slots..”

    That’s a couple more than climate sceptics get in the UK

  14. Just because the UK and EU have decided to be gung-ho against Russian aggression doesn’t mean that is to everyone’s taste.

    It’s a lot easier to be gung ho when you’re 2,000 km from the action, a situation that applies in spades to the USA’s penchant for away fixtures while screaming blue murder the one time missiles were placed close to their border.

  15. @John: ‘Kennedy and his civilian advisers understood that the missiles in Cuba did not alter the strategic nuclear balance. Although Kennedy asserted in his October 22 televised address that the missiles were “an explicit threat to the peace and security of all the Americas,” he in fact appreciated, as he told the ExComm on the first day of the crisis, that “it doesn’t make any difference if you get blown up by an ICBM flying from the Soviet Union or one that was 90 miles away. Geography doesn’t mean that much.” America’s European allies, Kennedy continued, “will argue that taken at its worst the presence of these missiles really doesn’t change” the nuclear balance.’

    From which I infer that the hullabaloo was about US domestic politics.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-missile-crisis/309190/?single_page=true

  16. After all, I’d tend to think that being positively pro-Russian wouldn’t really work amongst Hungarians.

    Definitely not, and not simply because memories of ’56 remain vivid. Ties between Ukraine and Hungary are strong – the parents of a Hungarian friend were born in what is now Ukraine (though it was Hungary back then) – and there are still many Hungarian speakers in Ukraine and Ukrainian speakers in Hungary. The Times has a good picture of three women in a voting booth in a village near Budapest wearing Ukrainian national costume.

  17. Hungarians remain resolutely irredentists, there are significant communities in Romania and Serbia as well as Ukraine and Orban has been trying to seduce them.

    I caught a snippet of a discussion on the radio yesterday where some woman from the Greens was advocating a No Fly Zone and berating the West because they were frit of starting a general war. It didn’t have to be done with fighters, she said, we could use SAMs and jamming to foul up their cruise missiles. I was so horrified that I had to switch her off, so never found whether they had put her into straitjacket afterwards.

  18. Bloke in North Dorset

    John Galt
    @BiND: Wouldn’t the lefties do exactly the same if the roles were reversed?

    Indeed they would, doesn’t make it right though.

    As I like to point out to lefties who claim that a little bit of censorship would be OK, its only a few hurty words after all: I’ll support your censorship laws if I get to use them first. They usually understand.

    So, what happens if Orbán ever loses, or do you think he should turn the country in to a dictatorship like Putin?

  19. Um am I misreading the semantics but doesn’t “Kremlin backed” in this context mean that’s the side putin/Kremlin would have wanted to win????

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