Britain just isn’t – by comparison – racist

Something that folk do need to understand. Britain, by comparison with many other places, is a joyous melange of diversity:

Yet just yards away, hundreds of Roma people are sheltering in the only place available to them since they joined the millions of Ukrainians fleeing the Russian invasion.

Unlike other Ukrainians who have been offered refugee visas, these families have found they have nowhere to go and no one who wants them.

Under socialism the Roma were kept, largely enough, in the Slovakian uplands. Then came freedom and a mass migration. And it’s not so much Roma (although the visceral reaction can be harsh) perhaps as people, culturally, from a previous century of rural habit. That this then is applied to Roma who come in from outside – from Ukraine here – can be seen as harsh but that is the way it is.

By comparison to the cultural divide with the Roma Britain is indeed that near entirely unracist society. Worth reminding people how well we do in fact.

25 thoughts on “Britain just isn’t – by comparison – racist”

  1. Theophrastus (2066)

    Diversity admits of degree, so a small amount is at worst harmless. In larger amounts, diversity is a weakness, not a strength. As Robert Putnam found, diversity reduces trust. It is never a “joyous melange” – more a series of shakedowns. Meanwhile, demographically and unjoyously, Britain is on course to be majority non-white by 2066.

  2. ’…in what emergency workers say are dangerously unsanitary conditions.’

    And what people who’ve had the misfortune to encounter Roma neighbours say, ‘normal living conditions’.

  3. “Under socialism the Roma were kept, largely enough, in the Slovakian uplands.”

    Damn fine idea. We could call it “The Pike District”.

  4. Out of sight of ordinary passengers in a sealed-off area of the ornate Habsburg-era station, Roma families – mostly women and children, some elderly and disabled – sit and lie around, surrounded by bags of belongings and protected by security guards, many of them also Roma.

    It’s like RAAAIIIIIINNNNNNNN on your wedding day!

    an anti-Roma prejudice that is widespread in the Czech Republic and neighbouring countries

    Gypsies: to know them is to love them.

    Some of the Hungarian passport holders claim they were bribed into applying for the documents, not understanding the consequences of dual citizenship

    Sure, Jan.

    Vít Rakušan, the Czech interior minister, has claimed that the Roma influx is tied to organised crime

    Claimed. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    In the absence of regular meals, many refugees leave during daytime and go into Prague city centre, where some resort to begging.

    Racism is obviously to blame, gypsies would normally NEVER beg.

  5. Sad but true, most crime – housebreaking mostly – in my part of Austria was attributable to Roma, from various countries but all of that ilk.

    Slovakia carried out ( perhaps still does) Apartheid practices to keep the Roma away from the rest of the population.

  6. Roma certainly are achievers. I’ve a friend in London. Ex Labour councillor. Guardian reading extreme gravel drive N. London socialist. Jewish & some of the family had tattoos on their arms. Activist in anti-racism campaigns. She’s been Woke before there was Woke. But you should hear her on the subject of Roma! Not particular Roma but all Roma. What happens to people at the receiving end of aggressive beggars on the Tube.

  7. BiS – Guardian reading extreme gravel drive N. London socialist

    That’s the problem, eh? Irish gypsies could tarmacadam that gravel drive.

  8. If people hate and avoid Roma wherever they go, what might we conclude from that?

    If Roma reckon anybody not Roma is untermenschen only there to be fleeced, might that explain them being hated everywhere?

  9. Incidentally, if you Google “Roma crimes”, the entire first page of search results are articles crying about the mysterious and unfathomable widespread dislike of Roma.

    We’ve spent billions of pounds and centuries of painstaking scientific and technical research to build a globe spanning, historically unprecedented, 500 Terabytes-per-second lightspeed communications network with 14 billion connected devices and insanely sophisticated machine learning algorithms to tell you lies that wouldn’t have convinced a schoolboy circa 1603.

  10. And it’s not so much Roma (although the visceral reaction can be harsh) perhaps as people, culturally, from a previous century of rural habit.

    More widely, it seems likely there will always be some cultural/racial group that ends up becoming the “pikeys” of their time/area. Even in homogenous English towns you had “the kids/chavs from the poor/council estate”; and in the estate itself you had one or two families who’d been beyond redemption for generations. You can take people out of tribes but you can’t take tribalism out of people.

    I bet the Romans had their “Roma”.

  11. I seem to recall an East London council ‘dispersing’ all the crap families from a small estate into other areas to allow said families to see how civilised people lived and ‘improve their behaviour’. Simply resulted in 12 crap areas in the borough instead of one.

  12. Theophrastus (2066)

    PJF
    Like the Greeks, the Romans were ethnocentric. For example, the easterners were seen as effeminate and sub-saharans as bringing bad luck. Every non-Roman was a barbarian. The idea promoted by woke historians that the Roman Empire was a successful multiracial society is a myth.

  13. Theo

    Indeed yes. Those who claim that the accession of African or Spanish Emperors as proof of diversity skate over the fact that these men were professional soldiers who took the title by force or were only declared Caesar in their own province. I was just reading about this: one year had six caesars, five of whom met violent ends.

  14. We made the Roma. Or the Roma made the Roma. It’s a chicken & egg thing. You want to live in someone’s society. But want to keep yourself separate & preserve your cultural identity. Don’t be surprised if your hosts feel the same way. Roma, Pikeys, has to be said Jews. What follows is inevitable. I’d say Muslims in the West are doing it to themselves currently. BLM is all about doing it.
    Toleration? It’s not necessarily a virtue.

  15. I was in Prague shortly after liberation. The Czechs were clearly a civilised mob. The looks they gave the Roma said they loathed and despised them.

    I used to know a young woman here who ranted against the local attitude to “pikies”. Then she got a job in an upmarket shop and, lo, her attitude changed completely. Experience is a grand teacher.

  16. Theo: The Roman Empire yes was multiracial, but it was definitely, definitively, *NOT* multi-cultural. There is a huge difference.

  17. Wasn’t it becoming multicultural help put the skids under it? The Germanic tribes were allowed to live under their own laws. So two parallel justice systems applying to different people & not producing equivalent outcomes. And the friction thereby.

  18. “The Roman Empire yes was multiracial, but it was definitely, definitively, *NOT* multi-cultural.”

    Entirely wrong: the West and North Africa were Latin, the East was Greek (except for the Jewish part of the population in Palestine and its diaspora).

    Remember Paul: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” He didn’t say ‘Jew or Roman’.

  19. Was the Roman Empire really as simple as “Latin to the West/North Africa, Greek to the East, Jews in Palestine + Diaspora”? The Jewish diaspora was all over the place. But then so were the Greeks. Massalia/Marseilles was Greek, there were plenty of Greeks in North Africa, Greeks as far as Crimea (which the Empire stretched to at times), even Greek colonies in Italy – some Griko communities still exist today. But Romano-Britons had a Celtic culture, North Africa had Berber client kingdoms, there were Germanic peoples, Scythians, Armenians, Arabs…

    Even near Rome, the local cultures didn’t totally assimilate for a long time: the Etruscan language seems to have still been used in the early Empire, and Rhaetic dying out during the late Republic.

  20. I’d tend to agree with you Anon. Though I’d argue that people could Romanise, become citizens, and be assimilated into the Imperial culture.

    Of course eventually the system couldn’t cope anymore. Though the Germans were originally regarded as auxiliary troops, who took over the west when the central government collapsed. And I understand that Roman citizenship was eventually extended to all the inhabitants of the Empire so they could be taxed.

  21. Theophrastus (2066)

    jgh

    “Theo: The Roman Empire yes was multiracial, but it was definitely, definitively, *NOT* multi-cultural. There is a huge difference.”

    Of course, the Roman Empire was multiracial. However, it was not a “successful” multiracial society in the terms of modern diversity, because Romans were clearly prejudiced against other ethnicities and their religions.

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