This is a bit new

Sturgeon now wants to work with the majority of the English:

Nicola Sturgeon will work with anyone who supports the break-up of the UK, say Scottish Tories

29 thoughts on “This is a bit new”

  1. Doesn’t she need a majority in both countries? England is a pretty good bet, Scotland is not.

  2. Hold on a minute…..the only reason she and the other idiots in Wales and NornIron are screaming for independence is because they believe we don’t want them to leave. If they realise that we actually want them to fuck off they’ll start agitating to remain…..

  3. I think a lot of people in the other three countries would be relieved if the matter were to be resolved, one way or another.

    This leads me to ponder on how the ballot paper would be worded for an English vote on Scottish independence.

    I propose:

    Many people in Scotland suggest that Scotland should become an independent country.

    Indicate by marking one of the boxes below whether you think Scotland should:

    Shut the fuck up

    Just fuck off already

  4. That would be the same Nicola Sturgeon who, despite being triple jabbed and double muzzled, has just caught Covid. Excuse me while I piss myself laughing!

  5. “Hold on a minute…..the only reason she and the other idiots in Wales and NornIron are screaming for independence is because they believe we don’t want them to leave. If they realise that we actually want them to fuck off they’ll start agitating to remain”

    Slightly OT, but has the NI situation ever been seen anywhere else in the world in modern democratic times? Ie part of one country votes to not become independent, but to become part of another country? And did the latter have a vote itself whether it wants the extra bit? Surely what is being proposed in Ireland is a union of two parts, which requires a vote not just in the North but one in the South at the same time. Scotland can vote to be independent unilaterally, but NI can’t become part of the Republic without their say so. Why is this part never mentioned?

  6. That’s a fucking lie. Nicola hasn’t “worked” a day in her life since being run out of the legal profession for incompetence. Unless we think defrauding donors is “work”.

    The Scottish Parliament is like Westminster, but worse: absolutely captured by a parasitic class of people who’ve never achieved anything in their lives and – emboldened by their ignorance – feel entitled to rule the normies.

  7. “The Scottish Parliament is like Westminster, but worse“

    It’s Westminster cosplaying as the Assemblée Nationale. Of Haiti.

  8. Jim
    Of course the South would vote to accept NI accession. Sentimental lot, the Irish.
    However, if NI changed their minds and voted to return to the UK… Not so sure we’d let them.

  9. “Of course the South would vote to accept NI accession. Sentimental lot, the Irish.”

    Polls have consistently stated that the South’s electorate would not vote for unification if they were expected to pay for it. At the moment most of the discussion on the subject is cost free, its is as you say pure sentiment. My feeling is that were both sets of voters given the actual costs of unification to them (largely higher taxes for the South and reduced spending/end of free NHS for the North) both sets of voters would vote significantly against.

  10. The question on the ballot should say

    “Do you want Scotland to become an Atlantic version of Belarus ?”

    o Yes
    o Oh, do hurry up !

  11. @Jim

    My feeling is that were both sets of voters given the actual costs of unification to them (largely higher taxes for the South and reduced spending/end of free NHS for the North) both sets of voters would vote significantly against.

    and of course, politicians being politicians will hide anything to do with the costs when this is brought to the populous. Imagine going down in history as the leader who united Ireland.

  12. One of the former French Indian Ocean islands voted to go back to being a French Overseas Department. And Newfoundland in 1948 relinquished independence and went back to being a British Overseas Territory (by whatever name they were back than), and HMUKG took them in hand and managed the transition to passing them over to Canadia.

  13. We can go one better. Anguilla had a revolt against being independent as part of East Caribbean Federation (or some such) and demanded to be a colony again. They still are.

  14. My favourite was the Aden Protectorate ie south Yemen. Nasser’s invasion/occupation of the Imamate of Yemen meant a vigorous upsurge of tribesmen/gangsters/freedom fighters raiding across the border. The UK didn’t use it’s fleet to enforce a WW2 style blockade of the north, since the US was a friend of Nasser and it was afraid of being Suez-ed.

    So rather than fight an endless war Harold Wilson, quite correctly in my opinion, decided to abandon the place. The heroes of the liberation then swarmed into Aden to swim in the money bin and found, alas, no money. Aden colony had run at a loss since its foundation.

    A conference was held in Switzerland between Treasury reps and Mahometan gangsters, and the Mahometans didn’t get any money. So they snuggled up to the Soviet Union, who were prepared to put them on the dole.

    Jimmy Carter, who’d just taken over supporting Saleh in north Yemen directly, since Nasser had abandoned the place after his crushing defeat by Israel in the Yom Kippur war, was most pissed.

  15. @Gunker
    “Imagine going down in history as the leader who united Ireland.”

    Oliver Cromwell?

    Didn’t he get dug up so the rotting corpse could be hanged?
    …or summat?

    Not much of a desirable legacy.

  16. @Tim the Coder…

    Just finished a book about the Duke of Monmouth. If you want a “villain” for the state of Ireland today, it’s the Merrie Monarch Charles II…

    He still, despite his beheaded father, believed in the “Divine Right of Kings”…to cut a long story short, by not cutting his Catholic brother out of the Line of Succession (which he could legally do) he led the country into the Monmouth Rebellion, the Glorious Revolution, the Old and Young Pretenders and the Sectarian nonsense we are still dealing with today

  17. Newfoundand went broke. The whole administration was massively corrupt and it had to give up its dominion status.

  18. To be fair. K75, James II was considerred a safe pair of hands and had almost universal suport upon his accession. His frankly insane policy of not being beastly to Papists was not apparent when he became king.

  19. Bloke in North Dorset

    Jim,

    “ Scotland can vote to be independent unilaterally, but NI can’t become part of the Republic without their say so. Why is this part never mentioned?”

    I thought that it was widely understood that Eire needed to vote on it as well, but I suppose that says more about my naive expectations of tje knowledge of politicians and the general public.

    This is a good podcast on the latest political position in NI:

    https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/what-future-for-northern-ireland-a-debrief-with/id1561072821?i=1000562889509

  20. If they want independence they should have it. But
    I think they should follow the Australian model when voting on constitutional change – 67% in favour in 67% of constituencies or counties.

  21. Absolutely, Rowdy. Even though I was on the winning side and we’d have lost under those rules, I’ve always said we should have had something similar for leaving the EU too. Saves a lot of bother.

    The trouble is, we did have a rule like that for the 1979 referendum on a Jockular Assembly. Ever since, the “Yes“ side in that claimed that it was “stolen” from them because they failed to make the cut, and so in ’97, the Blair mob, not wishing to raise the ire of their temporary allies in the SNP (and, frankly, knowing that there was a bloody good chance they’d lose again), made it a simple 50%+1. And that set the precedent for the glut of referendums we’ve had since.

  22. Bloke in the Fourth Reich

    Back 300 years ago, in 2019, some upstanding citizens invaded the HKSAR legislative Council chamber and draped it in the pre 1997 colonial flag. This did not go down very well with the wrong China the colony was handed back to.

  23. @Sam Duncan

    We did Not have a rule like that for the 1979 Scottish referendum

    The rule was that >40% of electorate had to vote Yes for a Scottish Assembly, it was scewed in Favour of a Yes vote

    SMP lost because only 32.9% of electorate voted Yes

    What it also allowed was those who opposed a Scottish Assembly did not need to bother voting which works for me and meant my parents didn’t vote. We’d moved from NI to Scot about 18 months before and couldn’t, still can’t, understand so many Scots pathalogical hatred of English

  24. SNPland Update: Sturgeon now has schools teaching indoctrinating children to support SNP and vote for independence

    Original in MoS Scotland, but can’t find it online


    Sturgeon’s SNP slammed for ‘sinister and insidious’ classroom Scexit propaganda for children

    Fury over Modern Studies lessons material packed full of photos of First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and ‘seriously biased’ informatation
    .
    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeons-snp-slammed-sinister-27032680
    .
    SNP indoctrination fears as pupils are handed link to party website
    Now it has emerged that teenage Modern Studies pupils were asked to create a list of Nicola Sturgeon’s “important policies” for a project on independence. The link goes to a list of “100 achievements of the SNP government”. It even includes an invitation to join the party
    .
    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-indoctrination-fears-pupils-handed-26904671

    “Modern Studies” – what the hell is that? The Sturgeon Youth all in identical uniform?

  25. “The rule was that >40% of electorate had to vote Yes for a Scottish Assembly, it was scewed in Favour of a Yes vote”

    But they also had to win the vote. Which makes it a rule “like” the Australian one; not at all the same, but a threshold beyond a simple 50%+1 of the vote itself to ensure that the proposal has wider support among the electorate than just those who are fanatical about it.

    “Yes” won 51.6% of those who voted, but failed to meet the 40%-of-turnout threshold. It was certainly a low bar (albeit better than none), but I don’t see it as skewed towards their side at all. For example, “Leave” would have lost in 2016 on that basis, with 37.5% of the electorate.

    “Modern Studies” – what the hell is that?

    It was part of the O-Grade syllabus back in the ’80s: all that “How a Bill Becomes Law” stuff, plus a bit of (as my teacher described it) what would be history if it wasn’t happening right now. For some reason, I have a particularly vivid memories of a class discussion about who might take over if Chernenko popped his clogs. I don’t recall being invited to join the Party, though.

  26. @Sam

    O Grade in what? Don’t recall anything like that in my day, left school ( Heriot’s ) after highers in ’82

    On Ref 1, I disagree. However, full info now there for others to consider together with the incentive for status quo electorate to not bother voting and vice-versa

  27. O-Grade Modern Studes, Pcar. (I could have phrased that more clearly.) Thinking back, I believe it was quite a new thing, so it may well have been after your time. But yeah, it’s pretty well-established now.

  28. @Sam
    Thanks. Modern Studies sounds as useless as Media Studies etc – waste of time

    I guess even if it existed then, Heriot’s – rightly – decided not to offer it. Heriot’s pushed most to not waste time on O Grades, but go straight to Highers

    Btw, building in foreground is the three story Chemistry, Anatomy & Medical, PE & Swimming pool block. Chemistry was on top floor to expel fumes upwards easily. Bottom floor walls were ~4ft thick

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