Do stop being a damn fucking idiot

And so we turn to fairness. And above all the touchingly simplistic idea that there is this mythical level playing field delineated solely by biological sex and – this part is important – nothing else. Structural, systematic, irreversible advantage is the very stuff of sport. Socio-economics, geography, opportunity, family support, big countries playing small countries, left-handers in fencing and cricket. None of these disparities is deemed intolerable or beyond the pale. Nor do any of them seem to overly exercise American neo-Nazis.

So, why do we have that binary split into male and female sports in the first place? Because the difference matters in sport you damn fool fucking idiot.

38 thoughts on “Do stop being a damn fucking idiot”

  1. “The touchingly simplistic idea that there is this mythical level playing field delineated solely by biological sex and – this part is important – nothing else.”

    Really?

    Never heard of weight divisions in boxing?

  2. To me, the unfairness is that the women get to be rid of this nonsense, but the men still have to put up with it. Since they’ve banned male to female trannies in womens’ sport, they should also ban female to male trannies in mens’ sport.

    Or are you arguing that the blokes like having a few birds around to perv at while waiting?

  3. Andrew C,

    I’ve always thought that silly. I get the thing of sport being a test of what makes you manly, a more controlled test of real world skills, but if some bloke asks if you were looking at his bird in a pub, you don’t get to choose how big he is. We don’t have a 100m and high jump for shortarses.

  4. The Meissen Bison

    American neo-nazis, inasmuch as they are not being misrepresented here, are correct not to be overly exercised.

  5. If trans really didn’t matter, there would be as many trans men in elite men’s sports as there are trans women in elite women’s sports.

    There aren’t. So clearly there’s some kind of advantage.

  6. Bloke on M4
    A pub confrontation isn’t comparable to a boxing match, as I’m sure you can appreciate. I’m a little guy, so if it comes to a pub encounter I’d be after the bollocks and kneecaps. I’m pretty sure Tyson Fury isn’t allowed to do that.

    Boxing’s a limited, regimented sport like any other – so no reason not to have weight divisions.

  7. Very mildly winding up the trannies is one of the very few things this government is doing that’s remotely popular. They’re failing at everything else, and actively pissing away their majority by the day.

  8. they should also ban female to male trannies in mens’ sport. – I don’t think one is needed. No one to ban. The poor mutilated creatures who have been taught to hate their femininity aren’t right in the head, of course, but not bonkers enough to insist on playing sport against men.

    We don’t have a 100m and high jump for shortarses. That’s because 5 ft wannabe highjumpers are weaned out safely by failure. Putting 120 kg guys against 70 kg guys is a recipe for death and maiming. And that applies to all fighting. Every town has one bouncer who is only 5′ 8″ but with a terrifying reputation, but there is a reason all the other bouncers are massive lumps.

  9. A powerful movement extending far beyond judo or swimming is framing trans people as aggressors and frauds

    They are…

  10. @John – I have a few gay and lesbian friends and every single one of them thinks Pride is a load of bollocks. There is some divide between those who think it used to be all right 20 years ago and those who think it was always shit.

  11. Not just weight divisions, Andrew C, age divisions too. We don’t let adults play against children. There’s masters age grades too.

    Sport has *never* been a free-for-all.

    There’s even divisions for pros and amateurs.

  12. John

    That’s a very powerful letter – I’d say would have the support of 90% plus of the population. Only those who are exposed by it and nutcases like the writer Tim refers to.

    Intriguingly his last paragraph is spot on:
    And then what? Once the trans women have been purged from sport, does all that energy and toxicity simply evaporate? Or does it move on to the next target, push the window a little further? Many of the arguments being used against trans women from sport can easily be repurposed to ban them from gyms, swimming pools, classrooms, medical settings, the military

    The point being that is exactly the strategy they have been using this whole time. I guess ‘progress’ only works one way….

  13. I sneeze in threes

    I wonder if different height classes might make basketball vaguely interesting to watch (you could alter the height of the basket or not?). The current giants taking six strides before making a basket with games of 78:76 points is somewhat dull.

  14. Dennis, Bullshit Detector

    For trans athletes this is a deliberately hostile landscape, deriving from the basic bad-faith presumption that the trans person can never be who they say they are.

    Given that the concept of transgenderism is entirely mythical concept to subvert the notion of biological sex and the difference between the two sexes, the only real myth in this article is the myth that it is both necessary and fair to treat men pretending to be women as if they were biological women in the field of sport.

    The presumption mention above is not “bad-faith”: It is reality. Trans people are not what they say they are. It’s a biological fact.

  15. @John – I have a few gay and lesbian friends and every single one of them thinks Pride is a load of bollocks. There is some divide between those who think it used to be all right 20 years ago and those who think it was always shit.

    Pride, like Viz Comic has always been mostly shit with a few bits of glitter. That’s it.

    There was some merit in Pride protests against HIV/AIDS stigmatisation and the government not doing enough. Protests against Section 22, yes, but also look where we are because of it, Pedo groomers in drag doing story time with children.

    Civil partnerships was fine. Gay marriage a leap too far. I could go on.

    What consenting adults do behind closed doors is between them. This constant pushing against the normies for things the vast majority of society finds (quite rightly) degenerate is simply going to alienate all the good and useful things that have been done on gay rights.

  16. I wonder if different height classes might make basketball vaguely interesting to watch (you could alter the height of the basket or not?). The current giants taking six strides before making a basket with games of 78:76 points is somewhat dull.

    Can’t speak for the rest of you, but I would definitely enjoy all-female naked dwarf basketball.

  17. There was some merit in Pride protests against HIV/AIDS stigmatisation and the government not doing enough.

    The government advised them to stop bumming hordes of anonymous men in homosexual conga lines and they went apeshit.

    The ‘stigmatisation’ (lethal diseases should be stigmatised) was solved thru a massive disinformation campaign aimed at terrifying straights into thinking they were in serious danger of catching a bug that overwhelmingly affected ridiculously promiscuous men who refused to use condoms.

  18. MC: “Every town has one bouncer who is only 5′ 8″ but with a terrifying reputation, but there is a reason all the other bouncers are massive lumps.”

    The bar with that bouncer is also likely the one with all the fights and broken furniture. There’s always someone who hasn’t got the news, and the point of a bouncer is generally to make the drunk think twice.

    Boganboy: “they should also ban female to male trannies in men’s sport.”

    No point – you don’t see any headlines for a F-M tranny who wins in any men’s division. And you won’t.
    This is why there are calls to make a women’s division and an “open” division. Of course the M-F trannies don’t like that, since the reason they’re competing against women is that they couldn’t win against other men. I could cite examples, but you probably can too.

  19. So if Connor McGregor sneaks over to Nadine’s desk and knocks her out, that’s fair too. Because knowledge of an impending fight is just another one of those pesky advantages.

  20. I sneeze in threes

    Steve,
    See also the “you shouldn’t stigmise gay promiscuity in response to the monkey-pox-a-gayddon”.

    By the way, has anyone actually died from it yet?

  21. By the way, has anyone actually died from it yet?

    Well, according to the Independent, Professor Adam Kleczkowski, a mathematician at the University of Strathclyde, reckons that Britain’s infections could keep rising until the end of year — when a peak of just under 60,000 people could be catching the virus every day. The good professor, clearly trying to secure a promotion to the Imperial College forecasting team, estimates that around 26.8 million people would eventually have the disease ….. Sadly, he does not appear to have forecast death levels yet.

  22. “make basketball vaguely interesting to watch” The Harlem Globetrotters used to be good fun.

    We made basketball interesting at school at the time when we swapped from football to rugby. Basketball practice immediately became a contest of rolling mauls. We loved it but the gym teacher was so infuriated that he dissolved the basketball side.

    A couple of years later the Principal dissolved our drama club. That was really rotten because there were girls in that.

  23. dearieme – A couple of years later the Principal dissolved our drama club.

    While I hesitate to intrude on what was obviously private grief, what on earth did you all do for that to happen? Did drama club also end up as ‘a series of rolling mauls?’

  24. The modern generation is so weird.

    We spent a lot of blood and money to end segregation and ‘separate but equal’ they want it back.

    We enshrined into law protections whose purpose is to subsidize the existence of women’s sports – they now want them gone.

  25. Bloke in North Dorset

    Slightl OT

    I’ve just been to Tesco in Blandford, it was fairly quiet so Tesco radio appeared quite loud. Irritating, but mostly possible to tune out. Then they started playing an interview with a “colleague” who’s name I missed and he proceeded to tell us how he’d been insecure but his line manager had given him the confidence and courage to “come out”.

    What possesses them to think we are in the remotely bit interested?

    I’d go elsewhere but this woke thing is a disease they all seem to have.

  26. BiND,

    “What possesses them to think we are in the remotely bit interested?

    I’d go elsewhere but this woke thing is a disease they all seem to have.”

    As someone pointed out we’ve shifted from a society of luxury goods to one about luxury beliefs. It used to be that you wore a fancy suit, but now you condemn JK Rowling. Shops and brands are selling the belief with the goods.

    The thing I believe is that if a business can spend a load of time and money on rainbow flag shagging or pink ribbons or whatever else isn’t to do with their job, there’s going to be someone else out there making the same thing for less without all of this. Like as far as I can tell, Aldi and Lidl don’t do any of this. All I want is to go into the store, get gin and tonic water, pay money and leave.

  27. BiND – when I’m buying a pint of milk and a packet of Sheba it’s very important to me to know what sexual perversions the assistant manager might be enjoying this week, bigot

  28. when I’m buying a pint of milk and a packet of Sheba it’s very important to me to know what sexual perversions the assistant manager might be enjoying this week, bigot

    You’ll be laughing on the other side of your face when you see the vet’s bill for the monkey’s antibiotics.

  29. Must admit I’m curious as to whether my half-century old smallpox vaccination’ll work against the dreaded monkeypox.

    But alas Steve, I haven’t been bumming hordes of anonymous men in homosexual conga lines, so maybe I shouldn’t bother.

  30. @BiND what business is it of the line manager in the first place?

    @Bloke on M4 Rob Henderson recent interview on the triggernomertry podcast on this subject was very interesting, it’s all about power, status and class signalling seemed to be the conclusion

  31. Rob Henderson recent interview on the triggernomertry podcast on this subject was very interesting, it’s all about power, status and class signalling seemed to be the conclusion

    He must have incredible eye sight to find that at the bottom of a petri dish.

  32. we’re forgotten that the writer is a gaurdian soy boy surrounded by similar beta males and fairies. The strongest person in the room is probably the middle aged tea lady, so he sees no problem with trannies competing with real women, because in guardianland the men are physically weaker than the females.

  33. Mildly O/T but I was just reading this:
    https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/06/28/its-time-to-take-down-the-pride-flag/
    And I was thinking that I don’t remember ever seeing one of these rags. Maybe they became prevalent after I left the UK. I know there was some sort of annual gay shindig in Finsbury Park before that, but that’s the sort of thing I avoid like the plague. I know the bushes used to be littered with used condoms for weeks after. Dogs used to be interested in them.
    I don’t remember seeing one in France or Belgium & I’ve never seen one here.
    You can get away from this madness, you know. The UK’s fucked. Been fucked for years. Better to get out while you can. Right Tim?
    Nice thought from Spiked, but they’re pissing into the wind

  34. @MC, June 29, 2022 at 9:33 am ; Jonathan, June 29, 2022 at 9:52 am

    +1

    M-F trans in female sport are cheats

    If they want to continue competing, do so in male sport

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