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Apparently…….

If convicted of this he’d be barred from running for Federal office.

The FBI raided Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida and broke into his safe in a stunning escalation of the legal scrutiny faced by the former US President.

Agents executed a search warrant, authorised by a judge, which appeared to be to do with boxes of documents containing classified information that Mr Trump brought with him to Florida when he left the White House.

It’s just so damn difficult to believe that that’s the reason for the raid, isn’t it? Just too, too, hard.

37 thoughts on “Apparently…….”

  1. The Other Bloke in Italy

    I expect the Communists – sorry, Democrats – are looking forward to shooting Trump and his family in a distant cellar.

  2. As with impeachment and the Jan 6th hearings, they assume that the claims of wrongdoing will be enough to tarnish Trump and undermine his support irrespective of whether the claims have merit or not.

    I wonder will the FBI raid reduce Trump’s support or energies it. The Bidenistas keep giving him propaganda gifts – they truly are dumb.

    Apparently, Trump’s reticence to declare he will run in 2024 is due to the electoral laws surrounding campaigning and limits on spending. If he declares now, all those big rallies he is having count as campaigning and come out of the permitted spending. So he will probably hold off on an announcement until the final stretch, but still keep having big de facto campaign rallies.

    Clearly everybody thinks he will run and win – hence Jan 6th & FBI raid and who knows what next.

  3. That really looks like an own goal though. The analysis in the Terriblegraph says the White House say they didn’t know beforehand. I find that impossible to believe. Going after a former President would surely need the OK of the current one. Perhaps Biden in his dotage insisted?

  4. The former US President blasted the raids, calling it an ‘assault’ that could only take place in ‘broken, Third World’ countries

    Well, duh. The US is a shitty banana republic run by the same sort of sociopathic oligarchs you find in Ukraine and Russia. If they can’t find a legal excuse to prevent Trump from running again, there’s an excellent chance he’ll be tragically killed by a lone wolf terrorist who was on the FBI’s radar.

  5. Yeah, if they discredit Trump all those deplorables will be obliged to vote Democrat. It’s not as if they’re ever gonna use all those guns if they start to feel their vote is useless.

    The dems are playing with fire. They have no idea of where this will lead.

  6. Rhoda;

    The dems are playing with fire. They have no idea of where this will lead.

    No they’re not, they know there will be zero consequences. Remember when Obama weaponised the IRS against the Tea Party; zero consequences. Unless the current crop of GOP politicians are completely replaced with patriots, nothing will change.

  7. Harry Haddock's Ghost is a Cunt

    As Harry Haddock’s Ghost will soon confirm, this hasn’t really happened – it’s just a conspiracy theorist lie put about by lunatics.

    In fact, the FBI has actually just raided Joe Biden after not sitting on the contents of his crackhead paedophile son’s laptop for a year and not ignoring clear evidence on it that he (Joe) has been in receipt of funds from said crackhead who was, for obscuree reasons, appointed to work for the Ukrainian state energy firm at a rate of approx $80,000 per calendar month, and further received a payment of $3.5 million from the widow of the former mayor of Moscow, with lots of chat about 10% for ‘the Big Guy’ aka ‘Pedo Pete’, AK the Hair Sniffer in Chief.

    Yesterday they raided Hillary Clinton, for her part in paying shady ‘intelligence agents’ to fabricate a ‘Russian dossier’ to smear her then opponent and future POTUS (aka OrangeManBad) after hosting her own secret email server in the bog at one of her many homes, said server having been operated by some Pakistani dude, while she was Secretary of State, in clear violation of the law and national security.

  8. @ Tim ‘If convicted of this he’d be barred from running for Federal office.’

    The weird thing is I think the Dems would be way better with Trump against them than (say) De Santis.

    Trump is clearly something of a bellend, he is marmite even for a lot of Republicans, he’ll be 78 or so by the time of the next election, and he will get out the vote for the lefties. He also drove the vaccine campaign, and I think that its slowly coming back to bite arses – they can’t continue to ignore this kind of shit, albeit in Canada, for much longer

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/fourteen-young-canadian-docs-die?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

    Too many people asking too many questions and getting out there:

    https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/san-diego-county-data-busts-a-hole

    De Santis is young, bright, articulate, appears steadfast and of the right but not mad, and has no significant Covid baggage, in fact the reverse. Of coiurse he will swiftly become The New Hitler but I think he will be able to laugh this off and turn it in his favour (by making the people saying it look stupid) more than Trump was/can.

  9. Interested is right, the Republicans who aren’t rino have a few reserves on the bench. The Dems? Nothing. They can’t field a team at all.

  10. @rhoda

    Though (as per the other thread above) it wouldn’t surprise me if the Dems win again. In a sense I’m not sure it matters who stands for either side (and even if it does the uniparty wins).

  11. Agree with Interested. Trump is the one with the proven ability to lose to Joe Biden’s Handlers. Doesn’t make any difference whether it was fair or not, he lost. Maybe the Dems agree too, and this is a strategy to ensure an angry Trump runs an angry campaign?

  12. Is it really that hard to believe a guy that got the sack might take some work stuff with him once out of a job?

    Plenty of software developers out there hold onto source code and old builds for decades when they shouldn’t, then release the code into the public domain when the company folds and there is no one left to litigate.

    Plenty of HR types take stuff with them so they can keep bearing the same grudge.

  13. Interested – he’s definitely too old. He’s in great shape for a guy pushing 80, and seems more energetic than a lot of blokes half his age, but the job of president is still too much to ask.

    Not that he’ll be allowed to run. Next step is the Dominique Strauss-Khan patented public arrest with media in tow to humiliate him, then hauled up before a hand-picked pussyhat judge.

    I wish him, and DeSantis, well, but to a great extent it doesn’t matter too much who Americans vote for (or “vote” for at 4am). Shit’s broke and can’t be democracied back together. The US is doing all the usual stuff you expect from a dying empire, because they are one. At the moment they’re successfully dragging down their last reliable allies in Britain and Europe with them, while picking fights with China over an island the US Navy has zero capacity to defend, while running up the yugest debts in recorded history with no intention of ever paying them back.

    This isn’t much of a long term plan, but thankfully nobody in DC cares about the long term.

  14. @PJF

    ‘Doesn’t make any difference whether it was fair or not, he lost.’

    It matters in the sense that if it was fraudulent – and I think it was at least to some extent, though who knows? – they have a means and a method. We know they’re not lacking any motive.

    If elections really can be ‘lost’ fraudulently then the whole thing is over, so it matters on the broader scale too.

  15. Greetings from DC, where in the long term I expect the pool to be a bit warmer than perfect by late this afternoon.

    TG, Garland is an over-cautious old lawyer, who will have done this totally by the book, with a cast-iron case to convince a judge to issue the warrant, and no contact at all with the WH. As Interested says, this was probably not a smart political move, but then it probably wasn’t a political move at all.

    Trump seems to have thought the rule was never leave it in writing rather than never put it in writing in the first place. We’ll see how that plays for him.

  16. I just wonder about electoral fraud. It takes more than a few people to make it work. In the obvious cases where El Presidente gets 99% of the vote, there’s going to be no possibility of an investigation and all of the people involved are under no illusion about their fate if they try to blow the whistle.

    In the case of the US, although in retrospect it could be swung by a relatively small number of extra votes in key places, those places are probably hard to discern ahead of time so the conspiracy has to be rather larger than absolutely necessary. How do you keep that quiet for ever after? Not all the people involved will be fanatic acolytes who will keep schtum until they die. Others will get disillusioned or revengeful because of things that happen to them later. Can you keep them quiet?

    If significant electoral fraud does come out and can be proved, that taints the process long after the principles are dead but not forgotten because of it. So you have to keep the lid on for a long time.

  17. . . . he’s definitely too old. He’s in great shape for a guy pushing 80 . . .

    Trump’s father lived to 93 but was showing dementia at 85. That’s a bit too close for comfort (or is it an argument for a third term*?).

    *constitution, schmonstitution.

  18. . . . it could be swung by a relatively small number of extra votes in key places, those places are probably hard to discern ahead of time . . .

    Not necessarily. You can create those places by having health bureaucrats (unconstitutionally) change the voting rules to permit large scale absentee voting. In fact, the absentee voting was probably enough by itself.

  19. Doesn’t the search warrant have to indicate what you are going to be looking for? As I understand it, the FBI just grabbed boxes without even looking inside them. But I am sure they’ve got that one covered

  20. It’s possible Trump engineered this. He seems to have been in negotiations with the govt about the documents, and was maybe dragging his feet (“don’t worry, they’re still in their boxes in my safe, they’ll be fine”). DOJ / FBI acts to retrieve boxes, which turn out to have Christmas cards from world leaders inside (technically govt docs).

    Trump has previous on this. Big hooha = big nothing = establishment look bad.

  21. @Tractor Gent

    “ In the case of the US, although in retrospect it could be swung by a relatively small number of extra votes in key places, those places are probably hard to discern ahead of time so the conspiracy has to be rather larger than absolutely necessary. How do you keep that quiet for ever after?”

    I am definitely no expert on the American voting process, so all of what I know is based on stuff I’ve read and inferences that I’ve drawn. More than anything, I can’t quite believe that with the economy in the shape it was a pretty good and Biden being so obviously as shit a candidate as he was that he would gain more votes than any other Democratic president ever (I think that’s right?) at the same time as Trump expanding his reach in black and Hispanic voters.

    It just doesn’t smell right.

    As to how many people would be involved and how you would keep them quiet, anyone with any acquaintance with the US justice system from Waco to people being held without trial for well over a year over the January 6 nonsense to the generalised appalling system of plea-bargaining would surely appreciate that it is a big, tall order to go up against the state over there.

    Don’t forget the people that you have helped to fiddle the election for are still in power, possibly for ever, and being covered for (it appears) by the FBI as well as the mainstream media and the social media companies.

    We will know soon enough, either at the midterms and if not at the next presidential election, when if the Democrats put in a strong showing it basically has to be fixed.

    It strikes me that the only thing stopping the US becoming a genuine banana republic is the existence of independent police forces, and the first and second amendments (and possibly the genuine right wingness and patriotism of a lot of demobbed military personnel, especially special forces who tend not to be liberals in the American sense).

  22. Is there anything we can learn from the collapse of Ottoman, AustroHungaria, PolandLithuania, Rome? to prepare and protect ourselves from the fallout?

  23. jgh

    Hyperinflation, civil war, dictatorship, barbarians invading and taking over, doubling down of feudalism.

    Well that all rather sounds like we already have the collapse in progress doesn’t it ?

  24. napsjam: but if you are going after a former President? It’s as political as can be – the pretext is documents, politically hot perhaps, not him having his hand in the cookie jar. Even the latter would surely want some political input from 1600, if only for the manner of the process rather than its outcome.

    Interested: I agree it all looks rather fishy but I still can’t see how it could be covered up successfully for a long period. There must be Dems who were hot to trot for Biden at the time but who have seen how ramshackle & dysfunctional it all is.

  25. napsjam – Garland is an over-cautious old lawyer, who will have done this totally by the book, with a cast-iron case to convince a judge to issue the warrant, and no contact at all with the WH. As Interested says, this was probably not a smart political move, but then it probably wasn’t a political move at all.

    Imagine believing this tho.

    Jgh – Is there anything we can learn from the collapse of Ottoman, AustroHungaria, PolandLithuania, Rome? to prepare and protect ourselves from the fallout?

    My plan for the winter involves so many cans of ravioli.

    PJF – It’s possible Trump engineered this

    Allah things are possible with Allah, but I don’t think this one is 4D underwater chess. It’s also in line with what former Trump admin Michael Anton predicted recently in his essay entitled “They Can’t Let Him Back In”.

  26. TG, if you’re going after a former President, it’s by-the-book and no grounds for criticism later. Too easy to screw up if you do it any other way.

    Steve, yes: climb out of your conspiracy-addled sub-basement and imagine. One benefit of Trump in particular is you don’t have to cook up charges or evidence. The dick is walking probable cause, all the time.

  27. @Dhfhfd

    Distraction?

    – it’s the day the FBI were supposed to answer Senator Grasly’s questions about their investigation of Hunter’s laptop

  28. @tomo

    Hillary destroyed 33,000 emails worth of confidential government documents, and all she got was a show trial where she mocked the dead:

    “What difference at this point does it make?”

    AND she was able to run for president with the entire Establishment behind her. Whatever role Biden played in Hunter’s degeneracy and treason is unlikely to go punished. Not only is the Establishment accustomed and connected enough to get away with anything, including murder, but many of them are simply too old to give a shit either way. They’re old enough now that, if they were somehow convicted and sentenced to prison time, they’d likely hang themselves like Epstein allegedly did to take the easy way out.

    I think it’s as simple and petty as Biden and his colleagues wanting to keep the death grip they have on their power. Sure, that includes keeping all of their dirty laundry a secret, but I think they gag to think of the unwashed masses daring to put the elites in their place. Look how disgusted they were with their constituents when it came to Covid restrictions. Look at the $80 billion in funding for the IRS in the reconciliation bill. They can’t bear to think of a society where the trailer trash hoodlums decide how to live their own lives. This is more about the government reminding us who’s in charge than anything else. Trump represented a return to the Founders’ idea that the government should be afraid of its own people, and that must be crushed before too many commoners become sentient and start to wonder why we need such a micromanaging government after all.

    Mind you, these politicians are mostly people who went straight from law school to controlling the public, some as early as their mid-twenties. Many of them haven’t driven their own car in the past 30 years, or purchased their own groceries. The first president Bush had a famous blooper when he had to learn how supermarket scanners and bar codes worked in 1992. The idea of these people actually having to deal with real-world consequences is beyond their comprehension. That’s why the U.S. not only needs term limits, but also to get rid of the “general welfare” clause that has clearly been abused. The decrease in federal money and power would also lead to a decrease in desperation and dirty tricks.

  29. GB News shows their true colours: anti Trump bias in the establishment swamp Witch Hunts

    Two of many:

    Trump’s former advisor Clashes with GB News host over Mar-A-Largo raid
    See Comments eg
    “GB News what are you doing! This presenter is disgusting, arrogant and unprofessional”
    “Interesting how Darren kept turning off Sebastian’s mike, so we couldnt here what he was saying. This is very much like the tactics used by James O’Bigot on his radio show on the Lefty Broadcasting Service”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXvkgLQ2D0o

    FBI investigates Donald Trump: ‘taking documents… is unprecedented’
    Anti-Trump Bias: “Retrieved” – No, sent/given to National Archive after normal redaction review
    Read comments
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy64nEWNprQ

  30. Sub Specie AEternitatis

    I am a US lawyer and let me assure you, regardless of what any statute may say, you cannot legally disqualify someone from the Presidency for any reason not stated in the Constitution itself. See U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton (1995).

    Apart from the legality, banning Trump from the ballot would be the kindest things the Democrats could do for the GOP. He is their best chance for winning in 2024 and limiting their losses in 2022.

    In fact, I believe that if Twitter had just gotten their act together and banned him a few months before the last election, rather than after, he quite possibly might have been reelected.

  31. Found out today that the judge who authorized the search warrant for the FBI raid is an Obama donor who also represented a bunch of Epstein’s accomplices.

  32. Terriblegraph reports that Trump is taking the 5th. That’s not a good look whatever the facts are.

  33. @Dhfhfd
    Yep, a DC Swamp judge

    Richard Littlejohn:
    If FBI goons can crucify a former president, no-one is safe. It’s how democracy ends and – just maybe – how civil war starts
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-11096033/

    @TG
    Trump taking 5th unnrelated to this. It’s another Left witch hunt case

    iirc there are four/five ongoing establishment revenge cases and UK MSM cheering them on

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