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Not sure this is true

As suspected, our fears were well founded. This cohort’s results have taken a massive hit in comparison with the teacher-assessed grades during the pandemic, with top grades (As and A*s) tumbling by 8.4% compared with last year, and more than 28,000 students set to miss out on a university place.

The number of people going to university will be the same whatever A Level results are. Sure different people going to different places perhaps, but grade offers will fall until all places are taken. Right?

17 thoughts on “Not sure this is true”

  1. In 2020 and 2021 the cap on medical students was raised to 10,000. This coming year it’s being put back to 7,000 “because we don’t have the resources to train any more medics properly”. If this were true, we’ve just turned out two years of badly trained medics. If not we could successfully train 10,000+ this and every other year. In reality they simply don’t want to spend the money on training medics, prefering to spend it on higher priority things like MPs’ expenses and diversity advisers.

    If anybody is thinking of setting up the Psychotic Mime Party, let me know. I’d rather vote for them than any of the useless incompetent oxygen thieves that pass as mainstream politicians these days.

  2. As someone who used to be part of this racket, you are absolutely right. There is also the fact that grade boundaries are set by the award bodies each year; and that raw marks are adjusted through marking instructions and moderation. So the same answer will get a different percentage mark depending on how the training and exemplars for marking are presented by the award bodies in the run-up to the exam being set; and the same percentage mark will get a different grade according to how the award bodies decide once the papers are all marked.

    As for BiFR’s comment, last year I was talking to a Cambridge don, impeccably liberal and as Guardianite as you would expect. She was talking about retiring from her job and how it was a lot less fun. More red tape. New pointless initiatives like “radicalisation”. Loads more students with anxiety issues and “impostor syndrome”. And (here she did that quick glance round to see if we were overheard, and lowered her voice) “The place is now absolutely swamped with Chinese!”

  3. Yes. Fewer places at top universities because of the teacher assessment last year. Presumably more at the former pollys.

  4. Imposter syndrome eh? Is that the feeling that one doesn’t belong here? I’m sure I was suffering from that the last couple of years I was living in London. It was getting more & more like a foreign country. So I thought, if I have to live amongst foreigners, I might as well chose which ones.

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    Why are e putting limits on the number of people who want to become doctors? If they make the grade lets churn them out.

    For the avoidance of doubt that was rhetorical, I’m well aware its a guild.

  6. Sam: And as my HongKong ex-wife would say: And not the good Chinese – mainlanders with loads of money who think they can order you around because they’re paying you.

    I know quite a few HK Britons who have moved away from the cities they’ve lived in for generations because they’ve become “swamped” with Chinese people, and the place doesn’t feel like not-China any more. ExW has even been thinking of emigrating to the Isle of Man because she can’t walk down the street without dozens of Chinese restaurants at every turn and hordes of Chinese students roaming around. Gabbing in their heathen nonsense instead of talking proper Queen’s Cantonese. 🙂

  7. A third of new hires of NHS doctors were educated overseas. Does that look like we’re producing enough of our own?

    The BMA and AMA are likely the most powerful trade unions in the world. That’s why the curriculum insists that the aspiring proctologist can remember the names of all thirty muscles of the face.

  8. “28000 more places for foreign students who pay substantially higher fees.” And you probably don’t need to choose them on Woke grounds – I take it nobody cares if they are clever, well educated, sane children of prosperous parents. Being furrin they can be admitted in spite of all that.

  9. “A third of new hires of NHS doctors were educated overseas. Does that look like we’re producing enough of our own?”

    And when questioned, pollies and medicos say: well, of course we’ve always built the NHS on foundations of sand, why the hell should we change, BIGOT!

  10. “In 2020 and 2021 the cap on medical students was raised to 10,000. This coming year it’s being put back to 7,000 “because we don’t have the resources to train any more medics properly”. If this were true, we’ve just turned out two years of badly trained medics. If not we could successfully train 10,000+ this and every other year. In reality they simply don’t want to spend the money on training medics, prefering to spend it on higher priority things like MPs’ expenses and diversity advisers.”

    You could let MPs put ladyboy hookers, Cristal and cocaine on expenses, if they did their jobs well. MPs expenses are tiny money. Something like £150m/year. Contrast that with £12bn spent on Connecting for Health, £9bn on the Olympics, £8bn on Afghanistan, fuck knows how much on HS1 and HS2. And that’s not even scratching the surface.

    “If anybody is thinking of setting up the Psychotic Mime Party, let me know. I’d rather vote for them than any of the useless incompetent oxygen thieves that pass as mainstream politicians these days.”

    This is why I vote Libertarian. “That’s a wasted vote, they’ll never get in”. So is a vote for the Conservatives. They’ve had 12 years in power and we have the RAF recruiting based on skin colour and sex. I am sick and tired of Conservative MPs rattling on about wokeness, when they’ve had 12 years to fix this.

  11. Bloke in the Fourth Reich

    “I know quite a few HK Britons who have moved away from the cities they’ve lived in for generations because they’ve become “swamped” with Chinese people, and the place doesn’t feel like not-China any more.”

    HK was absolute heaven in November 2019. I mean, the roadblocks and the tear gas, and the MTR and everything except a few backstreet eateries closing at 8 was a drag, but the rest of it! No Chinese tourists! We went up the peak tram 7 or 8 times just to marvel at the complete absence of a queue.

  12. We only train 7,000 doctors a year. Yet we train 78,741 undergraduate psychologists. Is our mental health so bad, or are we just phvkin mad?

  13. the last couple of years I was living in London. It was getting more & more like a foreign country. So I thought, if I have to live amongst foreigners, I might as well chose which ones.

    You could simply have moved out of London – not everywhere in the UK is a shithole (yet).

  14. Bloke: I remember when I was a local councillor there was more arguing and politicking over the £1m cost of councillors’ wages than there was on the £2beeeeelion services budget.

  15. The Groan – always wrong

    “Covid wasn’t a catastrophe for young people’s education. Lockdown was
    .
    Lockdowns proved how easily education is taken away, and how difficult the damage is to repair, writes Fraser Nelson
    .
    Introduced in 2010 to compensate for grade inflation, the A* rating had been reserved for the top 8 per cent of A-levels. But giving A* grades to 15 per cent of all entries – as has happened this year – mean
    https://archive.ph/7E66I
    telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/18/covid-wasnt-catastrophe-young-peoples-education-lockdown/

    Grades should be by a set Bell Curve percentages – 11 plus always did this in NI

  16. Bottleneck for training doctors is the clinical placements in hospitals. Need to get people the right mix of experiences and not all hospitals are set up for teaching or have the right kind of caseload. That’s the one subject where foreign students genuinely do reduce places for locals (rather than subsidising domestic students and effectively making more places available) and is rare among STEM subjects as there’s no bottleneck for interested domestic applicants with appropriate grades.

    Having said that, the fact the UK doesn’t train enough doctors domestically suggests we could set up the clinical experiences differently, as some countries are either self-sufficient or net exporters of doctors.

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