Not that I like the result

‘This is huge’: Democrats hail abortion rights victory in Kansas
Democrats celebrated the Kansas vote as a testament to the desire for abortion rights nationwide, even in Republican-held states

But isn’t democracy this wonder, the people get to decide?

14 thoughts on “Not that I like the result”

  1. Can you abort me now?

    Why not just freeze fetuses and bring the back when technology improves, and they’re wanted?

  2. Tim, you forgot to use the leftist dictionary.

    Democracy = “my side wins every time”

    As Michael Malice says, they use words not to communicate, but to manipulate.

  3. This is excellent. The Dems of course have managed to spin it to get the wrong message : not that abolishing Roe v Wade but it returns the decision to the electorate.

    Although in Kansas, they tried to write it into their constitution. Which is also the wrong move and so was rightfully defeated.

  4. Yes, the people can decide to manifest Hell if they want to. From the press coverage of Kansas it looks like huge big fat women are highly motivated to kill, and possibly eat, their hypothetical children.

  5. I was at a wedding recently where some Rhiannon Lucy-Consett type basically accused me of being a Gilead member (from ‘The Handmaid’s tale) for pointing out this was how democracy should work. In further discussions with wedding guests who still had a functional brain cell or two, we agreed that the outcome of the Supreme court decision would be it reverts to the states. So the 30 or so where it is legal it’s likely to remain so. For the others, the US firm I work for has already said it will pay as part of their Insurance coverage for female employees in need of an abortion to go to a state where the procedure is legal, and even those CEOs who are less ‘woke’ will simply remove investment from states where it’s severely curtailed. So there will be a short hiatus where it’s not legal and inconvenient for abortions to take place but the trend is inexorably towards even post birth abortion likely being on the agenda in fairly short order. States that resist will lose multinational investment.

    Add in the WEF/ Big Trans agenda and, as Interested pointed out, the side effect of the COVID Vaccines then you can see that agenda (The reduction of global population to 800 million) is proceeding with this being merely a slight delay in the overall gameplan.

  6. The vote is the vote, but perhaps it’s just a question of pro-abortioners currently being very motivated vs ant-abortioners resting on their laurels. I suspect the issue will be revisited soonest.

    If the vote is an accurate measure of the views of the whole populace then I’d say the mid-terms are unpredictable.

  7. PJF

    It’s also worth pointing out that despite people saying ‘the 2020 election result was valid’ I still have major question marks.

    – Ballot counting seemed to ‘stop’ in all the Swing states only?
    – A demented zombie who could barely say his name without an autocue and whose rallies comrpsied the media and paid goons got a record percentage of the vote?
    – Any legal challenges were dismissed out of hand without even being properly considered?

    I’d say the midterms are already decided. They’re not even troubling to hide their blatant corruption anymore.

  8. I am not anti-abortion, but I’m not really pro either. It is a distasteful procedure where there are often legitimate medical ( and societal) reasons for it to be allowed. I object to it being used as contraception and I abhor the insane belief that it can be performed almost to term. There is a lot of pin head dancing about viability and cognisance, to which I am afraid I do not have an answer. The earlier the better, basically.

    Beliefs and science change and as such decisions on this subject belong in legislation and not in constitutions.

    I think most sensible people are of similar opinions and don’t live in either of the two trenches lobbing grenades at each other, which is how this unpleasant argument is represented.

  9. VP – it’s slightly harder for them to rig midterms for various technical reasons but obviously the fix has been in for a long time, which is why the USA theoretically has two parties but in practice public opinion plays almost zero role in setting public policy

  10. Even the primaries in Arizona are being questioned. The challenger should have been a clear winner, but the count is dragging on the whole week.

  11. Dennis, Tiresome Denizen of Central Ohio

    Democrats hailing the Kansas “victory” are whistling past the graveyard.

    Voters who deem abortion rights a top tier issue don’t vote Republican, and never have. There is no swing vote in this. Kind of like suggesting that if AOC votes for gun control, she’ll face a backlash at the polls. No, she won’t. People who are serious about the 2A would never vote for her in the first place.

    The other thing to note here is that this was an issue vote, not a candidate vote. The more specific the issue being voted on, the less chance the results of the vote can be superimposed on a general election.

    The other thing the Democrats are trying to obscure here is that for all their hysterical fear-mongering, the abolition of abortion is not a certainty (to put it mildly).

  12. The Times (the actual London Times!) says: “The result is a clear sign of a political backlash against the Supreme Court ruling in June, which struck down the nationwide right to abortion after almost half a century.”

    Confirmation (if anyone doubted it) that the lunatics are running the asylum.

  13. I’ve never smoked weed, and I see no need to do so outside of medicinal use. I still, though, understand that it’s a matter of personal choice, and that the government should have no role in deciding its legality.

    When it comes to my priorities, I don’t give two shits how marijuana is regulated, because it doesn’t affect me. So I wouldn’t base or change my vote on that issue. If my tax money was being spent on other people’s pot paraphernalia or rehab, though, I’d be pretty pissed.

    With abortion, if people were honest, most really don’t give a shit. The people who will vote for a democrat based on their abortion stance are likely either political ideologues with nothing better to do (i.e., fat, unattractive women who need a pet cause so they can feel something), radical anti-traditionalists, or someone who personally had an abortion and needs to view it as a civil right to avoid personal responsibility. In the U.S., the amount of women who get an abortion due to rape or incest is around 1% of total cases. Most are obtained as a matter of convenience (finances, career prospects, unplanned pregnancy, incapable parents, etc.).

    The people who will vote for a republican based on their abortion stance may also be a political ideologue, or deeply religious to the point of protesting outside of clinics, or someone affected personally by abortion (regrets getting one, survivor of one, knows someone who regrets it, etc.).

    Vast majority of people, regardless of which side they fall on, not only are unaffected by abortion laws, but might not even know of anyone who got one (yes, I know, it’s not the kind of thing people divulge to everyone). Closest I’ve been associated is an acquaintance of mine who said he got a girl pregnant and helped her pay for the abortion “like a gentleman.” He told me he didn’t wear a condom, because he can’t enjoy sex with them. So we’re not exactly talking about people who make honest mistakes here. This guy is a CPA, so imagine the irresponsibility of the bulk of people who are seeking an abortion, the majority of which are low income women in their 20s with only a high school education. And most of the people in that category don’t even vote.

    I imagine most voters think about policies that affect their day-to-day lives (at least, I would hope they do). How many abortions does the average woman get in her life? How many women plan to or anticipate needing an abortion at any point? For most people, it’s a philosophical issue, not one of practical importance. How many people do you think are moving to another state based on their abortion laws? The same amount of people who actually moved to Canada when Trump was elected. Voters tend to care more about taxes, gas prices, the job market, foreign policy if there’s threat of war breaking out, and education if they have kids.

    Another example would be the issue of Free Speech. Only when the issue becomes politicized to the point of affecting daily life (e.g., people getting arrested for posting a meme on Twitter, or school board meetings being strictly censored) does it become a deciding factor in the polls. Otherwise, people don’t care. When Roger Stone, Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, Proud Boys, nonviolent January 6 defendants are arrested or indicted for political reasons, most conservatives won’t even base their vote on that (though they might be extremely disgusted by the government’s behavior), because they don’t feel it affects people like them, who aren’t vocal, public figures and don’t attend massive rallies. Luckily, today’s conservatives have also had the better record on the economy and deregulation, as well as education, so it works out in their favor anyway. In fact, the crimes committed by AntiFa and BLM have much more weight in influencing voters, since the everyday lives of average people who did nothing to provoke it had to deal with violence, crime and property damage–along with a reduced police force. NYC Mayor Eric Adams, though he hasn’t at all delivered on this promise, was elected mostly by liberals who thought he would deal with crime. San Francisco DA Chesa Boudin was recalled by liberals who simply want to be able to park their car on the street or shop at Walgreen’s without getting robbed, or encountering a heroin addict shooting up in front of their kids. Even San Franciscans said “to hell with ‘restorative justice.'”

    So people might still have deeply held convictions about abortion, but none of them are trying to get into a situation where they would need one, and it’s probably #235 on their list of reasons for choosing a candidate.

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