Thank goodness we aren’t like the US with their rampant crime and gun cultu….
What?!
bloke in spain
Another thing you can blame on the War on Drugs.
No not that the drug dealing fraternity might want to get tooled up. That’s a given. But that when you give people an incentive to be in contact with the criminal underworld, they’ll be in contact with the criminal underworld. And have easy access to all sorts of things. Guns are one of them.
If there’s demand, the market will supply. But it’d be a help not creating the marketplace in the first place.
Sam Vara
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Andrew M
I thought the connection between guns and drugs had been weakened by mobile phones. Dealers no longer need to loiter on street corners, guarding their turf with guns; instead they can take orders by phone and deliver by courier.
Bloke in Wales
instead they can take orders by phone and deliver by courier
Might be safer for the dealer, but won’t the courier still need protection?
bloke in spain
It’s a networking thing, Andrew. Absence drug illegality, the vast majority would have no reason to get involved with criminals. Wouldn’t know how to. But if you plug into that network you plug into the entire network. What happens when you criminalise a sizeable chunk of the population.
MC
@Julia – thank goodness indeed. The U.K. murder rate is one fifth of that in the US and the number of shootings is a tiny tiny fraction of those in the US.
Penseivat
BiW,
To avoid overt (non Macarena dancing) Police interest, many dealers use kids as couriers, as no one involved in drugs would harm a child. Oh, hang on …….
bloke in spain
The U.K. murder rate is one fifth of that in the US and the number of shootings is a tiny tiny fraction of those in the US.
You’d have to look at who’s doing the shooting. US black demographic is 13.6% UK 3. UK doesn’t have the US’s Hispanic gang culture.
It is doing its best to import the world’s riff-raff though, so it’s working on the deficit.
Martin King
US homicide rates for black people is over 26 per 100,000 and for white people it’s just over 2 per 100,000.
Kevin B
I read somewhere that the US murder rate is 3rd highest out of 192 countries but if you remove the numbers for five cities, it’s 189th.
How true that is I don’t know since I think I saw it on 9gag, (which is why I can’t find it again), but it certainly rings true.
Kaneda
America doesn’t have a gun problem it has a black crime problem.
Norway has more guns per capita and absolutely none of the crime.
dearieme
“read somewhere that the US murder rate is 3rd highest out of 192 countries but if you remove the numbers for five cities, it’s 189th.”
I always laugh at that argument. If you remove the right five cities from the British figures we’d have a lot fewer too. In fact if every country were allowed to do it the US would probably get back to number three.
Ottokring
I decided to have a quick search on US murder rates, of course what skews the figures are the huge discrepancies in the size of American cities.
So the highest murder rate is in St Louis Missouri, but the highest absolute tolls are in the much larger Chicago and Philly.
it’s not hard to get one…That’s how bad it is because citizens have the right to defend themselves.
Fixed it for ya.
Sam Duncan
“The U.K. murder rate is one fifth of that in the US and the number of shootings is a tiny tiny fraction of those in the US.”
Which is more or less as it always has been, even when you could buy guns at Gamage’s or Harrod’s and Holmes used to warn Watson to carry his revolver.
Fyfhdjf
@Ottokring
A lot of the gungrabbers tend to manipulate the statistics. They’ll look at the state level and blame Republican policies, instead of the democrat policies in the blue cities inside those states. They’ll leave out the part where the majority of gun deaths are gang violence and suicides. They also spend much more time trying to ban “assault” weapons (made up term) even though handguns are by far the most commonly used weapon in a crime. They’ll make the excuse that Chicago’s crime is caused by guns coming in from red states. Welp, then why don’t the states with the gun manufacturers and less restrictive laws have higher crime rates? School shootings and other “mass killings” are considered a bigger threat, since they receive more national coverage, while the everyday shootings in the inner city accrue higher numbers of deaths and are far more common. I feel fairly safe in most suburban schools. I don’t feel so safe in a McDonald’s in the Bronx.
The gun control crowd is based on two edicts:
1. The tragedies with Twitter hashtags deserve more attention
2. They can’t fathom the idea of an individual taking responsibility for their own security, or the idea that the government’s law enforcement may be inadequate at best, or abusive at worst.
Ottokring
Indeed yes Fyfhdjf. This article just had a nice table in it without too much snide preaching.
One of the articles I alighted upon stated that in 2017 Las Vegas was near the top of the league thanks to that massacre that killed 68 people. St Louis has a disproportionally high rate, apparently, because its population has declined but the same crims still live there. Indianapolis had a surprisingly high rate, which might illustrate your point a bit.
Of course, the USA is miles behind Latin America, especially Venezuela. Even when I lived there briefly in the 1990s, it was not uncommon to have dozen-death weekends in Caracas ( two dozen one weekend).
Tractor Gent
There was a short series recently on TV here about policing in the US, in KC Kansas. One (black) criminal arrested had a Glock 19 and I thought that’s a bit expensive isn’t it? I then looked up gun dealers over there advertising on the Internet. $500. I suppose if you’re dealing, even at the bottom of the pond, that’s small change.
Fyfhdjf
@Tractor Gent
And nowadays, they can just walk into a store and grab whatever they need for free. And if the clerk decides to do anything about it, deemed a racist and trapped in prison until the trial date a year later.
“don the right gear. Talk the right way…” Blimey
Arl right, Arl right, calm down calm down
Thank goodness we aren’t like the US with their rampant crime and gun cultu….
What?!
Another thing you can blame on the War on Drugs.
No not that the drug dealing fraternity might want to get tooled up. That’s a given. But that when you give people an incentive to be in contact with the criminal underworld, they’ll be in contact with the criminal underworld. And have easy access to all sorts of things. Guns are one of them.
If there’s demand, the market will supply. But it’d be a help not creating the marketplace in the first place.
“Thank you for phoning ‘Go Shoot’. Your call is important to us, and may be recorded for training purposes. To hire a gun, please press 1. You will need your card details. To return a gun, please press 2. To enquire about a lost, stolen, or malfunctioning gun, please press 3. To listen to our recording about how to stay Covid-safe from a hired gun, please press 4. For all other enquiries, please hold the line and you will be connected to one of our customer services team.”
I thought the connection between guns and drugs had been weakened by mobile phones. Dealers no longer need to loiter on street corners, guarding their turf with guns; instead they can take orders by phone and deliver by courier.
Might be safer for the dealer, but won’t the courier still need protection?
It’s a networking thing, Andrew. Absence drug illegality, the vast majority would have no reason to get involved with criminals. Wouldn’t know how to. But if you plug into that network you plug into the entire network. What happens when you criminalise a sizeable chunk of the population.
@Julia – thank goodness indeed. The U.K. murder rate is one fifth of that in the US and the number of shootings is a tiny tiny fraction of those in the US.
BiW,
To avoid overt (non Macarena dancing) Police interest, many dealers use kids as couriers, as no one involved in drugs would harm a child. Oh, hang on …….
The U.K. murder rate is one fifth of that in the US and the number of shootings is a tiny tiny fraction of those in the US.
You’d have to look at who’s doing the shooting. US black demographic is 13.6% UK 3. UK doesn’t have the US’s Hispanic gang culture.
It is doing its best to import the world’s riff-raff though, so it’s working on the deficit.
US homicide rates for black people is over 26 per 100,000 and for white people it’s just over 2 per 100,000.
I read somewhere that the US murder rate is 3rd highest out of 192 countries but if you remove the numbers for five cities, it’s 189th.
How true that is I don’t know since I think I saw it on 9gag, (which is why I can’t find it again), but it certainly rings true.
America doesn’t have a gun problem it has a black crime problem.
Norway has more guns per capita and absolutely none of the crime.
“read somewhere that the US murder rate is 3rd highest out of 192 countries but if you remove the numbers for five cities, it’s 189th.”
I always laugh at that argument. If you remove the right five cities from the British figures we’d have a lot fewer too. In fact if every country were allowed to do it the US would probably get back to number three.
I decided to have a quick search on US murder rates, of course what skews the figures are the huge discrepancies in the size of American cities.
So the highest murder rate is in St Louis Missouri, but the highest absolute tolls are in the much larger Chicago and Philly.
This one lays it out nicely
https://vanlifewanderer.com/2021/12/03/cities-with-highest-murder-rate/
it’s not hard to get one…That’s
how bad it isbecause citizens have the right to defend themselves.Fixed it for ya.
“The U.K. murder rate is one fifth of that in the US and the number of shootings is a tiny tiny fraction of those in the US.”
Which is more or less as it always has been, even when you could buy guns at Gamage’s or Harrod’s and Holmes used to warn Watson to carry his revolver.
@Ottokring
A lot of the gungrabbers tend to manipulate the statistics. They’ll look at the state level and blame Republican policies, instead of the democrat policies in the blue cities inside those states. They’ll leave out the part where the majority of gun deaths are gang violence and suicides. They also spend much more time trying to ban “assault” weapons (made up term) even though handguns are by far the most commonly used weapon in a crime. They’ll make the excuse that Chicago’s crime is caused by guns coming in from red states. Welp, then why don’t the states with the gun manufacturers and less restrictive laws have higher crime rates? School shootings and other “mass killings” are considered a bigger threat, since they receive more national coverage, while the everyday shootings in the inner city accrue higher numbers of deaths and are far more common. I feel fairly safe in most suburban schools. I don’t feel so safe in a McDonald’s in the Bronx.
The gun control crowd is based on two edicts:
1. The tragedies with Twitter hashtags deserve more attention
2. They can’t fathom the idea of an individual taking responsibility for their own security, or the idea that the government’s law enforcement may be inadequate at best, or abusive at worst.
Indeed yes Fyfhdjf. This article just had a nice table in it without too much snide preaching.
One of the articles I alighted upon stated that in 2017 Las Vegas was near the top of the league thanks to that massacre that killed 68 people. St Louis has a disproportionally high rate, apparently, because its population has declined but the same crims still live there. Indianapolis had a surprisingly high rate, which might illustrate your point a bit.
Of course, the USA is miles behind Latin America, especially Venezuela. Even when I lived there briefly in the 1990s, it was not uncommon to have dozen-death weekends in Caracas ( two dozen one weekend).
There was a short series recently on TV here about policing in the US, in KC Kansas. One (black) criminal arrested had a Glock 19 and I thought that’s a bit expensive isn’t it? I then looked up gun dealers over there advertising on the Internet. $500. I suppose if you’re dealing, even at the bottom of the pond, that’s small change.
@Tractor Gent
And nowadays, they can just walk into a store and grab whatever they need for free. And if the clerk decides to do anything about it, deemed a racist and trapped in prison until the trial date a year later.